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Old 12-02-2020, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Scientist have been saying for a while that people who regularly attend religious services and have a regular religious practice live longer and are generally happier than those who don't.

Psychologist Sonia Lyubimirsky said it in her book "The How of Happiness".

Dan Buettner said it in his book about the parts of the world where people live the longest in his "Blue Zones" books.

Researchers at the Mayo Clinic said this:

“Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide. Several studies have shown that addressing the spiritual needs of the patient may enhance recovery from illness.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolef...h=b9762ba3a12c
whether the religion is true or not
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:01 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Scientist have been saying for a while that people who regularly attend religious services and have a regular religious practice live longer and are generally happier than those who don't.

Psychologist Sonia Lyubimirsky said it in her book "The How of Happiness".

Dan Buettner said it in his book about the parts of the world where people live the longest in his "Blue Zones" books.

Researchers at the Mayo Clinic said this:

“Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide. Several studies have shown that addressing the spiritual needs of the patient may enhance recovery from illness.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolef...h=b9762ba3a12c
That new wonder religion helps to promote active life and a glossy coat does not exactly mean that atheism kills.

No doubt a healthy diet, regular runs through the park, no meat, no booze and definitely no baccy probably does add a few years to the life, but frankly I'll take the debauch.

Similarly, the truth is more important to me than happy fairy tales.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Canada
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With the rise, even domination of society by secular, materialistic forces, this fine book is a welcome counterweight:

From Dennis Prager's Foreword:

https://www.atheismkills.com
Atheism is not only a factor in mortal deaths. A spiritual death comes with far more serious implications than a mortal death.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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That's because atheism is not really a thing. It's more of not agreeing with a particular viewpoint. I find I have a deeper sense of awe now than I did as a believer. The possibilities are endless, there's nothing forbidden to consider. This no hope, no joy...is just drama emotional manipulation. That paragraph you quoted is cringe worthy.
From my non-atheistic (is that a word? There's no squiggly red underline) point of view, yes, it is.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Scientist have been saying for a while that people who regularly attend religious services and have a regular religious practice live longer and are generally happier than those who don't.

Psychologist Sonia Lyubimirsky said it in her book "The How of Happiness".

Dan Buettner said it in his book about the parts of the world where people live the longest in his "Blue Zones" books.

Researchers at the Mayo Clinic said this:

“Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide. Several studies have shown that addressing the spiritual needs of the patient may enhance recovery from illness.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolef...h=b9762ba3a12c
Religion helps some people feel like valued members of a pack - a basic mammalian need, especially among predators. And we are the planet's apex predators.

But what's most important is that people feel some connection: to each other - to their furred, feathered and finned friends - to the planet.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Atheism is not only a factor in mortal deaths. A spiritual death comes with far more serious implications than a mortal death.
You would know.

Or rather, will find out.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Canada
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You would know.

Or rather, will find out.
We both are going to find out, and it doesn’t frighten me. I’m looking forward to it. Bon voyage!
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Old 12-02-2020, 10:07 PM
 
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That new wonder religion helps to promote active life and a glossy coat does not exactly mean that atheism kills.

No doubt a healthy diet, regular runs through the park, no meat, no booze and definitely no baccy probably does add a few years to the life, but frankly I'll take the debauch.

Similarly, the truth is more important to me than happy fairy tales.
The main thing that religion gives is a sense of purpose in life. If you don't have a sense of purpose, you're less likely to do those healthy lifestyle habits in the first place.

Yes, you can get that through other means, in theory. Certainly true on on an inviditual level.

In practice, it works out badly when applied across societies at large. Most people have a deep need for something sacred in their lives. Jonathan Haidt talks about this. That's what Social Justice Warriors on college campuses are about. They're essentially non-religious / atheistic type people who have created a new religion that they are trying to impose on everyone else. They don't see they're just like the religions they often criticize. Look no further than the USSR & China for secular states that do/did massive killings.
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Old 12-02-2020, 10:09 PM
 
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Religion helps some people feel like valued members of a pack - a basic mammalian need, especially among predators. And we are the planet's apex predators.

But what's most important is that people feel some connection: to each other - to their furred, feathered and finned friends - to the planet.
Nothing wrong with that sense of connection. I just want to be connected to the source of that creation as well as the creation itself. It's a tall order, but going to the source makes the most sense to me.
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Old 12-02-2020, 10:12 PM
 
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whether the religion is true or not
Well it's really not that binary.

No belief system or ideology is completely true or untrue. All are muddled and shades of gray.
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