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Old 12-22-2020, 12:29 PM
 
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i disagree with bold above.
people ask for and welcome and request others to pray for them.
That indicates the recognition of how powerful and meaningful prayers are from others.
Yes, of course. And we do pray for others as well. But that only soothes us, it is a psychological and spiritual effect only for us. The person we pray for still have to walk in their own shoes, experience their life their own way, find their salvation their own way. We can show them love and compassion and offer help and support, but no, we all walk our own individual paths, work out our own karma.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Spirituality is a connection with the spiritual realm. You can't be an atheist be spiritual because it invalidates their belief. Spirituality involves belief, so if you believe in nothing there's no way you can be described as spiritual.
I believe a spiritual realm is possible, not connected with an imaginary god-thing.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:07 PM
 
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Yes, of course. And we do pray for others as well. But that only soothes us, it is a psychological and spiritual effect only for us. The person we pray for still have to walk in their own shoes, experience their life their own way, find their salvation their own way. We can show them love and compassion and offer help and support, but no, we all walk our own individual paths, work out our own karma.
i agree that it benefits ourself when we pray for others.
but i also recognize the immense power of the human consciousness to effect change and benefit others as well. and that power increases exponentially when a group of people pray together.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I believe a spiritual realm is possible, not connected with an imaginary god-thing.
Do you consider a deistic god, which you think is a possibility, as “an imaginary god-thing”?

You are open to some supernatural beliefs but not others. Where do you draw the line?
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Do you consider a deistic god, which you think is a possibility, as “an imaginary god-thing”?

You are open to some supernatural beliefs but not others. Where do you draw the line?
I've said before, quite a few times, that I do not believe in the deistic god of the bible. What is not clear about that.

I draw the line wherever I want to because I am not asking anyone else to believe what I believe or what I believe is possible.
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Old 12-22-2020, 02:45 PM
 
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i agree that it benefits ourself when we pray for others.
but i also recognize the immense power of the human consciousness to effect change and benefit others as well. and that power increases exponentially when a group of people pray together.
It is particularly powerful when ALL the participants are truly sincerely believing prayer warriors and not just going along for social reasons.
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Old 12-22-2020, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I've said before, quite a few times, that I do not believe in the deistic god of the bible. What is not clear about that.

I draw the line wherever I want to because I am not asking anyone else to believe what I believe or what I believe is possible.
I was referring to the deistic god that YOU believe is possible, not the God of the Bible.

Do you consider THAT god (the one that YOU believe is possible) is “an imaginary god-thing”?
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Old 12-22-2020, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I was referring to the deistic god that YOU believe is possible, not the God of the Bible.

Do you consider THAT god (the one that YOU believe is possible) is “an imaginary god-thing”?
I didn't say I believed in any god. I said a god is possible...most probably deistic IF at all.
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Old 12-22-2020, 06:00 PM
 
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It is particularly powerful when ALL the participants are truly sincerely believing prayer warriors and not just going along for social reasons.
just another example of made up, fake science, woo science that isn't wanted around ... you know, it gets in the way of the "I don't have to see any evidence if i don't want too ... so there."

Macro version.

youtube: Navigating with Quantum Entanglement
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Old 12-22-2020, 06:04 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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just another example of made up, fake science, woo science that is wanted around ... you know, it gets in the way of the "I don't have to see any evidence if i don't want too ... so there."

Macro version.

youtube: Navigating with Quantum Entanglement
You're way more spiritual than the believers giving you guff on here.
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