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We can. Maybe not to you, but definitely to others.
Do you not see the irony? You and others smugly declare that God is dead, or Religion is dead because people don't go to church. They don't "buy in". That supposedly means that the message is worthless.
Meanwhile, in regards to something like evolution, when people don't "buy in" to the message, it's not because the message is wrong, it's because the people are apparently too dumb to grasp it, or whatever reason you want to say. But you won't blame the message.
People accept the evidence for evolution (fossils, you know) and some buy into the scientific explanation and other prefer to Creationist take.
Similarly a lot of people think or believe that God (or a god, at least) exists, but buy into the rationalist explanation that the Bible does not inspire a lot of confidence and they buy out of Christianity.
Same thing really, Bapfun
It comes down to the best explanations of the evidence. And you are great example of that.
What would you want? Do you want me to beg people to attend when they clearly don't want to be there?
Actually, it isn't the message of Christianity that's irrelevant to modern times. It's the disconnect between attitudes like yours and Christian principles. Your responses, rooted in preening self-righteousness, remind me of the pharasaical attitudes in the time of Christ.
Do you not see the irony? You and others smugly declare that God is dead, or Religion is dead because people don't go to church. They don't "buy in". That supposedly means that the message is worthless.
How can a position I do not have be ironic?
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
Meanwhile, in regards to something like evolution, when people don't "buy in" to the message, it's not because the message is wrong, it's because the people are apparently too dumb to grasp it, or whatever reason you want to say. But you won't blame the message.
Why would I blame something that is almost probably true? Do not blame me because you do not understand this. Or do not want to.
Other religious people accept evolution, and many major scientists were also religious. Mendel was a monk.
Actually, it isn't the message of Christianity that's irrelevant to modern times. It's the disconnect between attitudes like yours and Christian principles. Your responses, rooted in preening self-righteousness, remind me of the pharasaical attitudes in the time of Christ.
Once again, I'll repeat the thing I've said many many times. NOTHING I have done, nor that I am has qualified me to feel God's love. I'm not the one stating I'm sinless, or that God loves my sin. I have no idea where you'd get that crazy idea from. I am the least righteous person here, and I certainly am not self-righteous.
Having said that, I do believe our churches are full of people that go to church simply because they think it's expected. They have no desire to be there, they don't care to hear the message. That does not mean that they are worse than me, nor have I suggested it. But they are now out of the habit of going, and they are simply not going back.
From a Christian perspective I see this as giving meaning to what Jesus prophesied would happen later on in time..."and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold." Some people may have the lyrics from John Lennon's song "Imagine" in mind with regard to religion. Yet, the decline of interest in God or religion hasn't stopped the turmoil/lawlessness around the world.
In the future I wouldn't be surprised if religions are gutted of their wealth and material possessions by the very institutions that they were chummy with. But am I concerned? Only because of the turmoil that will continue. But I do believe as Bible Scholars view things...the earth is transformed into one without corruption. Part of that corruption includes those religious institutions responsible for failing God and people.
The two sections I bolded...it seems to me that you have accidentally hit upon the (or at least a) major problem.
In the past a far larger percent of the population in the Western world was religious. Yet, that didn't bring peace. In fact, quite the opposite.
The two sections I bolded...it seems to me that you have accidentally hit upon the (or at least a) major problem.
In the past a far larger percent of the population in the Western world was religious. Yet, that didn't bring peace. In fact, quite the opposite.
Right. Ok. Because people with no standard for morality will all suddenly learn to get along and sing kumbaya. If you think last summer's riots were fun, just hang on.
I hate to sound unsympathetic, but maybe your lot aren't praying hard enough. I know a global plague is tougher than merely removing a mountain into the sea, which Christians who pray with Faith can see done every day, but surely the God that sent it can take it away again..if only there is one amongst you has enough Faith.
In fact, quite the opposite. There have been a number of churches which, rather than help fight the pandemic, have intentionally helped spread the pandemic, leading to deaths among their own congregations and those who associate with the people in those congregations. In that selfish act they have committed the commandment against murder.
Right. Ok. Because people with no standard for morality will all suddenly learn to get along and sing kumbaya. If you think last summer's riots were fun, just hang on.
Millions and millions of people are somehow managing to be moral humans without subsriving to Christianity or even knowing what's in your Bible.
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