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rationalization is an intellectual exercise, intellectual gymnastics.
Realization is a byproduct of and stems from an absence of intellectual exercise, an absence of mental gymnastics.
that's why "quiet the mind" and "still the mind" are basic to many paths.
my observation is that inner stillness, inner peace, and a quiet mind are not prominent, (or even present?) in that which you convey through your posts.
Realization does not come from any intellectual process, intellectual edifice, intellectual synthesis, intellectual gymnastics, intellectual analysis, intellectual proof, intellectual study, intellectual construct, or intellectual posturing. the intellect is not a path to Realization.
What you call Realization is the rejection of intellect and blind acceptance of utter nonsense simply because there is seemingly no real explanation for existence itself. That it gives you peace and bliss is a good thing for you both. But that it is actually what our existence is all about is pure nonsense!
What you call Realization is the rejection of intellect and blind acceptance of utter nonsense simply because there is seemingly no real explanation for existence itself. That it gives you peace and bliss is a good thing for you both. But that it is actually what our existence is all about is pure nonsense!
no that is not what Realization is.
that is not an accurate description of Realization.
it demonstrates a lack of understanding, lack of comprehension, and lack of grasp and perception of Realization.
it also demonstrates that you do not know the difference and are unable to distinguish between Realization and rationalization. view expressed in the post above is a "rationalization."
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 10-11-2021 at 07:01 PM..
it's not a rejection of intellect.
it is an ability to observe the thoughts. and let them go. and quiet the thoughts. and stop them all together.
it is a not-doing. it is a not-thinking.
you seem bothered by that. i can't imagine why.
do you identify so strongly with your thoughts that you can't bear to be in stillness without thinking?
your extreme aversion and charged emotional reaction to what is being discussed suggests that. maybe you can share what it is that bothers you so much about observing the thoughts, letting them go, quiet-ing the thoughts, or stopping the thoughts.
it is curious. perhaps you can shed light on this.
not that is not what Realization is.
that is not an accurate description of Realization.
it demonstrates a lack of understanding, lack of comprehension, and lack of grasp and perception of Realization.
it also demonstrates that you do not know the difference and are unable to distinguish between Realization and rationalization. view expressed in the post above is a "rationalization."
The more you criticize my understanding the more you reveal your utter ignorance of Reality.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
it's not a rejection of intellect.
it is an ability to observe the thoughts. and let them go. and quiet the thoughts. and stop them all together.
it is a not-doing. it is a not-thinking.
you seem bothered by that. i can't imagine why.
QED!!! Your posts are the epitome of not thinking. They are complete nonsense.
I'll try from a different approach.
OK, as you work out your karma, and get off the wheel of samsara and dissolve in Brahman/Consciousness.
Fine.
I have a question.
Where did you come from?
Why did you come from where you came from?
What is purpose of your existence then, if your destination is to seize to exist?
NB: I am NOT referring to personality/ego/Id/mind etc. I am referring to the Conscious Self that suffers through re existences.
Can you answer those simple questions?
those are good questions.
what is your view on each of those ukr?
those are good questions.
what is your view on each of those ukr?
I come from the Nature side, as a unit of Nature (added: Consciousness initiates such process by invoking a unit of Nature into existence)
Through countless interactions with other units and through the Great Worlds, level of Consciousness in "me" grows until "I" become Self-Aware.
I use terms I and me just as what's available. I only mean individuality, as "my" development and "my" experiences are unique to "me". I-am, I-ness and Self-ness. Vs You-are, Your-ness, and Your_self_ness.
After I became Self-Conscious, I can either progress and develop further in the eternal or, I can lower my-Self to the lowest level of the physical, in the Realm of Change, and, completing the wheel of samsara, return to the Realm of Permanence. It is choice.
Ultimate destination is to become Consciousness.
Purpose of existence is to develop every unit of Nature into Consciousness. As example of ocean, I used before. Ocean is one, just like Consciousness is one. One Consciousness is countless I-Consciousnesses, each one of them with its own path of development. They are all in One of the Light of Intelligence, aka Consciousness yet, all are different, as all of their paths, or dhammas, were different.
Purpose of existence is to develop every unit of Nature into Consciousness. As example of ocean, I used before. Ocean is one, just like Consciousness is one. One Consciousness is countless I-Consciousnesses, each one of them with its own path of development. They are all in One of the Light of Intelligence, aka Consciousness yet, all are different, as all of their paths, or dhammas, were different.
The ocean actually has many parts, that is our experience of ocean - waves, tidal waves, foam, bubbles that form and disappear.
But it is ALL water.
That is a shift in perspective.
I come from the Nature side, as a unit of Nature (added: Consciousness initiates such process by invoking a unit of Nature into existence)
Through countless interactions with other units and through the Great Worlds, level of Consciousness in "me" grows until "I" become Self-Aware.
I use terms I and me just as what's available. I only mean individuality, as "my" development and "my" experiences are unique to "me". I-am, I-ness and Self-ness. Vs You-are, Your-ness, and Your_self_ness.
After I became Self-Conscious, I can either progress and develop further in the eternal or, I can lower my-Self to the lowest level of the physical, in the Realm of Change, and, completing the wheel of samsara, return to the Realm of Permanence. It is choice.
Ultimate destination is to become Consciousness.
Purpose of existence is to develop every unit of Nature into Consciousness. As example of ocean, I used before. Ocean is one, just like Consciousness is one. One Consciousness is countless I-Consciousnesses, each one of them with its own path of development. They are all in One of the Light of Intelligence, aka Consciousness yet, all are different, as all of their paths, or dhammas, were different.
The ocean actually has many parts, that is our experience of ocean - waves, tidal waves, foam, bubbles that form and disappear.
But it is ALL water.
That is a shift in perspective.
The bubbles are actually air, surrounded by water - salty water!
The ocean, in the vast majority, is composed of molten ice. Seething, roiling molten ice.
That's another perspective shift.
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