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It is not possible for God to order an immoral deed. If God orders something to be done, then that thing must be good. This is simply a definitional necessity.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Not really; it's just philosophy. God, if He exists, must be All Good.
Those are the definitions of God that YOU consider necessary for God to qualify to BE God, but there is no evidence or other rationale for assuming it is true of God. No one is required to accept or use YOUR or the Catholic Church's definition of God. Other than the obvious fact that God is our Creator, we have no other objective evidence or information to justify those kinds of attributes. That is why we have only BELIEFS and OPINIONS about God which can NOT be used to impose our BELIEFS or OPINIONS on anyone else.
I don't think it's in dispute that it is always wrong to kill babies merely for personal pleasure.
That's why I have a problem with the OT. Too much killing of innocents just because they didn't worship the bible God.
Agreed. I often thought -- when I was still a christian -- that the OT and the NT couldn't possibly be about the same god. Unless he got some good therapy in between.
Those are the definitions of God that YOU consider necessary for God to qualify to BE God, but there is no evidence or other rationale for assuming it is true of God. No one is required to accept or use YOUR or the Catholic Church's definition of God. Other than the obvious fact that God is our Creator, we have no other objective evidence or information to justify those kinds of attributes. That is why we have only BELIEFS and OPINIONS about God which can NOT be used to impose our BELIEFS or OPINIONS on anyone else.
You are welcome to explain why an All Good God doesn't work philosophically.
I have found that it (an All Good God) is the only conclusion that is feasible.
Exactly. That's an example of a moral absolute. We all agree it's wrong. We know that. It's not based on time, or culture, or opinion. It's wrong.
That's completely unrelated to your first statement in response to me. Besides your statement being inaccurate. No innocent person was ever killed by God, with the exception of the Savior.
So none of those women and children who were slaughtered by the Israelites in the OT were innocent? Give me a break. Sad that people defend such abhorrent behavior. From God no less.
No that is simply your belief that God is moral and that everything he does is good. Which is why believers in the Bible bend over backwards changing the words used forvslavery and human chattel ownership to infentured servant.
Those ofbus tha do not believe in the Bible can jydge acts and orders to see if they are immoral or moral. My moraliry does not come from a God who according to the Bible does moral and immoral stuff.
It's called Federal Headship. In Adam all sinned. They were guilty of Adam's sin.
The Creator who spoke the universe into existence can do what he wants with his creation. You think that's immoral or wrong? Ok. So be it. You're entitled to your OPINION. That and $2 might buy me a cup of coffee at Casey's tomorrow morning.
Romans 9:14-18
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills."
And you wonder why there are ex-believers out there.
Thank goodness everything posted on this forum is opinion. I'd hate to think an actual God who is being defended for killing innocents really exists.
There are ex-believers out here because of people exactly like Baptist Fundie.
I do have to wonder how many people are reached by those who insist on assertions of hell, punishment for homosexuals, a God who kills innocent women, children and animals, etc.
I remember when I was a Christian. I had a lot of fear. Much of what I read, especially in the OT just didn't sit well with me. It reminds me of when kids ask their parent why they have to do thus and so, and the parent says, because I say so. Sorry, that ain't an answer.
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