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It's time to quit lumping Christianity with white supremacy and violence, as Jesus would never tolerate either.
You don't use the bogus to define the genuine. That would mean renegade police officers define what is law and order. That would mean bogus politicians who rule only for themselves and a narrow constituency define what a political representative should be.
We see the tactics here, and it's not Christianity that's losing...
Right?
If Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy"...how is it so many Black's and other POC are such devout Christians?
It's just a bogus way the anti-Religious have long-used to demean and insult Christianity.
And the percentage of Blacks & POC that are Christian proves it is nothing but a slanderous, defamatory, and hateful attack.
Right?
If Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy"...how is it so many Black's and other POC are such devout Christians?
It's just a bogus way the anti-Religious have long-used to demean and insult Christianity.
And the percentage of Blacks & POC that are Christian proves it is nothing but a slanderous, defamatory, and hateful attack.
You may have misunderstood. It's not that Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy." It's that "White Supremacy" is connected to Christianity. White Supremacists claim to be Christians, but nobody claimed that Christian leadership claimed to be White Supremacists. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that a great majority of Blacks and Hispanics are also Christians, and there is nothing slanderous or hateful in saying what is true.
Con artists often try to appear as honest people. Investment scam artists try to appear as legit business operators. Etc.
This is more about human deception than anything else (and that includes self-deception). People can and will try to appear one way and link themselves with particular groups, even though 180 degrees opposite the group's true focus. Human nature includes the perverse and the corrupt, as this shows. People don't have to be consistent or logical in the approach to access that and take advantage of it.
You may have misunderstood. It's not that Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy." It's that "White Supremacy" is connected to Christianity. White Supremacists claim to be Christians, but nobody claimed that Christian leadership claimed to be White Supremacists. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that a great majority of Blacks and Hispanics are also Christians, and there is nothing slanderous or hateful in saying what is true.
You may have misunderstood. It's not that Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy." It's that "White Supremacy" is connected to Christianity. White Supremacists claim to be Christians, but nobody claimed that Christian leadership claimed to be White Supremacists. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that a great majority of Blacks and Hispanics are also Christians, and there is nothing slanderous or hateful in saying what is true.
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No. I understand just fine.
This is just another of the countless times Anti-Religionist Christian haters try to connect people with a mindset that would be seen as "White Supremacist" (or endorse slavery), with a "Christian Mindset"...and try to present them as "kindred" attitudes. If not...why even mention it?
It is slanderous and hateful to make such a claim...and many other members/posters have noted such.
If Christianity was really a ideology that was so attractive to White Supremacist Racists...Blacks and POC would want no part of it.
Con artists often try to appear as honest people. Investment scam artists try to appear as legit business operators. Etc.
This is more about human deception than anything else (and that includes self-deception). People can and will try to appear one way and link themselves with particular groups, even though 180 degrees opposite the group's true focus. Human nature includes the perverse and the corrupt, as this shows. People don't have to be consistent or logical in the approach to access that and take advantage of it.
Knowing the history about all this and how these issues and beliefs have been inter-related is simply fair and objective recognition of exactly that. There is the good and there is the bad. Unfortunately the history is littered with the bad that was born of religion and the times, though some people are loath to recognize these facts, truths and/or history.
We can on the one hand discuss what Jesus did, would or wouldn't do, and that's always going to be nothing but good according to most if not all Christians, but that's got nothing really to do with what lots of Christians have done since the story of Jesus and all the rest published as the Bible. Not a word of the Bible was published by Jesus. Jesus is really irrelevant with respect to how religion influenced people to do what they have done over the course of the last couple thousand years. All of which includes plenty of "good, bad and ugly."
I think "honest people" should be able to easily agree with this, and attempting to dishonor or misrepresent the truth of these matters as if they are no better than what an investment scam artist is all about..., well that's the real misrepresentation you are obviously wanting to promote here. Hardly any more legit than the scam artist.
You may have misunderstood. It's not that Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy." It's that "White Supremacy" is connected to Christianity. White Supremacists claim to be Christians, but nobody claimed that Christian leadership claimed to be White Supremacists. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that a great majority of Blacks and Hispanics are also Christians, and there is nothing slanderous or hateful in saying what is true.
Ok....so how is this Christianity's fault? There are horrible terrible people that claim to be Muslims. There are black people that claim to be Christian that are racist. And atheists that are horrible terrible people. Etc...etc...etc....
So since racism and evil motives are the common denominator, why is this getting ANY play on message board titled "Religion and Spirituality"? We get it. Bad people claim religion and use it to do bad stuff. The only reason this has gone on this far is because people love to bad-mouth Christianity. As if it's OUR fault that some terrible people claim our religion.
Honestly, the OP is offensive. "Stop giving Christianity a pass on white supremacy and violence". Good grief that's demeaning. Racism (of any skin color) is evil. Violence is to be condemned. It's entirely incompatible with Christianity, and it's amazing how many times we have to keep saying that because yahoos go on the internet and accuse us of it. Why? Because they read some idiotic article written by a racist that told them white Christians are fragile and hate black people, regardless of the actual truth.
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You may have misunderstood. It's not that Christianity is so connected to "White Supremacy." It's that "White Supremacy" is connected to Christianity. White Supremacists claim to be Christians, but nobody claimed that Christian leadership claimed to be White Supremacists. It certainly has nothing to do with the fact that a great majority of Blacks and Hispanics are also Christians, and there is nothing slanderous or hateful in saying what is true.
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Ok....so how is this Christianity's fault? There are horrible terrible people that claim to be Muslims. There are black people that claim to be Christian that are racist. And atheists that are horrible terrible people. Etc...etc...etc....
So since racism and evil motives are the common denominator, why is this getting ANY play on message board titled "Religion and Spirituality"? We get it. Bad people claim religion and use it to do bad stuff. The only reason this has gone on this far is because people love to bad-mouth Christianity. As if it's OUR fault that some terrible people claim our religion.
Honestly, the OP is offensive. "Stop giving Christianity a pass on white supremacy and violence". Good grief that's demeaning. Racism (of any skin color) is evil. Violence is to be condemned. It's entirely incompatible with Christianity, and it's amazing how many times we have to keep saying that because yahoos go on the internet and accuse us of it. Why? Because they read some idiotic article written by a racist that told them white Christians are fragile and hate black people, regardless of the actual truth.
I don't know how you managed to read my post and think that I thought anything mentioned was Christianity's fault. As a matter of fact, reading my post would tell anybody that it is NOT the fault of Christianity that White Supremacists claim to be Christians. Since you mention it, neither is it the fault of Islam that some terrorists claim to be Muslims.
I don't know how you managed to read my post and think that I thought anything mentioned was Christianity's fault. As a matter of fact, reading my post would tell anybody that it is NOT the fault of Christianity that White Supremacists claim to be Christians. Since you mention it, neither is it the fault of Islam that some terrorists claim to be Muslims.
Well put...
Seems we're back to the age old question with respect to cause/effect of religion and people or people and religion. How the two interrelate and affect one another in terms of what people do in the name of religion or what religion does to people. Can we not hold Christians responsible for some state of affairs here in America? Can we not blame Islam for the state of affairs in Muslim countries?
I'm not as good at decoupling these influences from the people who support these influences, and of course total stereotyping is a problem too. Not right, but there are rather strong unmistakable religious influences that cannot be denied. No more than the rather profound results of those influences by the people influenced by these religions. To the tune of billions of people...
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