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I don't know any innocent (sinless) people. Do you?
Yes, I personally know many and are aware of millions. You see, a "sin" is a transgression against a god. Those who do not believe that gods exist will not have any 'sins'....but that isn't what I was talking about as well you know. I talking about the mythological Adam and Eve.
Yes, I personally know many and are aware of millions. You see, a "sin" is a transgression against a god. Those who do not believe that gods exist will not have any 'sins'....but that isn't what I was talking about as well you know. I talking about the mythological Adam and Eve.
Sin is a transgression against our creator. Simply not believing in that creator does not make the creator or the sin go away.
It would only be important to note if the bible had some validity...It does not.
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Vizio's views are based on the legends and hallucinations of ancient sheepherders while Mystic's is based on his own legends and hallucinations. I don't see a distinction.
The Bible is recognized as an authority on spiritual matters, even by many non-Christians.
Vizio's views are based on Holy Scripture. Mystic's are based on . I realize you don't respect the Bible, but the distinction is important to note.
Your confusion about the basis of my views must be deliberate, jimmie . . . because I have posted the scriptural bases of them many, many, many times. That you and the fundies differ with my interpretations of scripture does not make YOUR interpretations correct and mine wrong.
Your confusion about the basis of my views must be deliberate, jimmie . . . because I have posted the scriptural bases of them many, many, many times. That you and the fundies differ with my interpretations of scripture does not make YOUR interpretations correct and mine wrong.
No confusion here. You dismiss much of Scripture, most importantly the redemptive work of Christ. I've read your postings for years, and many have no scriptural basis.
It's disappointing that you resort to name-calling.
Jesus dying on the cross was to take up all of our sins, the whole world, there had to be the shedding of blood. The resurrection shows that we do not die but have everlasting life, the time here on Earth is just a short-term phase of life.
Sin is a transgression against our creator. Simply not believing in that creator does not make the creator or the sin go away.
...and simply believing in that creator do not make the 'sins' real. See how it works both ways?
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...there had to be the shedding of blood. .
Ummm...why exactly?? I understand that you, as someone that is a follower of a blood-cult, desperately requires blood, blood, BLOOD to be shed..but why does an allegedly omnimax deity require that? I mean why can't the allegedly omnimax deity get the required results by say...just snapping it's fingers? Or why can't an alleged omnipotent deity just forgive in the same way he demands us to do to people that wrong us?
I think that Mystic's view we can save ourselves with our good morals and love for each other , the Bible says that we can not save ourselves, we can do nice things and all that have a nice demeanor but we need a Savior for our salvation and that is what dying on the cross and being resurrected was about.
Hehe... This is the stupidity I have come to laugh at. "If you stand on your head and turn the right way while saying the word 'Christ' three times then you're saved. But, otherwise, off to hell for you." The obvious tenacity with which you Christians argue amongst yourselves as to what constitutes requirements for salvation makes the transparency of your religion as a human-made one all the more obvious.
Here's the way I see it:
If your deity demands a bunch of groveling and ass-kissing because of his insecurities and extraordinarily large ego, why would you worship him in the first place? That's exactly what the people of North Korea are doing with Lil' Kim over there. They're not worshiping him because they love him. They're paying lip service to a totalitarian state out of absolute fear. If that's the only reason you're going to church on Sunday, I'd be wondering where my loyalties lie.
On the other hand, if you're just able to be nice to someone without demanding something in return or you have an actual heart and do things because it makes a difference in your life as well as someone else's then it shouldn't matter what you believe. A truly benevolent deity would see you for what you are whether you stood on your head and said Christ three times or not. The petty demands you insist your God makes all so that you can join hands and insist you're part of the same Mickey Mouse club is the most obvious human-made obsession and is probably a direct reflection of one's own personality.
I tend not to associate with people who believe in such things mostly because I find their personality types to be like that of the deities they've projected onto their belief - demanding, insecure, and full of vengeful wraith for those who don't acknowledge them as superior beings.
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. I realize you don't respect the Bible, but the distinction is important to note.
