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Old 04-18-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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in the Quran there is a story about a group of people called the people of the cave

they went to cave to hide and rest and they had a dog with them

in the cave they wanted to sleep so they did sleep normally


but God did some thing to their ears and that caused them to sleep for more than 300 years

and during this 300 years and while they were sleeping God maintained their bodies in order to stay normal

and during this 300 years they did not need to eat or drink and they did not wake up

see the signs in this verse about them

And you might think them awake while they were asleep
and We turned them about to the right and to the left,
while their dog (lay) outstretching its paws at the entrance; if you looked at them you would certainly turn back from them in flight, and you would certainly be filled with awe because of them. 18:18


And you might think them awake while they were asleep
that means thier eyes were not full closed other wise they would be blind



and We turned them about to the right and to the left

if they were not turned left and right then the earth would have eaten them

 
Old 04-21-2009, 05:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by moonsun View Post
in the Quran there is a story about a group of people called the people of the cave

they went to cave to hide and rest and they had a dog with them

in the cave they wanted to sleep so they did sleep normally


but God did some thing to their ears and that caused them to sleep for more than 300 years

and during this 300 years and while they were sleeping God maintained their bodies in order to stay normal

and during this 300 years they did not need to eat or drink and they did not wake up

see the signs in this verse about them

And you might think them awake while they were asleep
and We turned them about to the right and to the left,
while their dog (lay) outstretching its paws at the entrance; if you looked at them you would certainly turn back from them in flight, and you would certainly be filled with awe because of them. 18:18


And you might think them awake while they were asleep
that means thier eyes were not full closed other wise they would be blind



and We turned them about to the right and to the left

if they were not turned left and right then the earth would have eaten them

another sign in this verse

Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the Signs of Allah. He whom Allah, guides is rightly guided; but he whom Allah leaves to stray,- for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way.



the sun and the light prevented them from the access of moisture and rot
 
Old 04-21-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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in the Quran there is a story about a group of people called the people of the cave

they went to cave to hide and rest and they had a dog with them

in the cave they wanted to sleep so they did sleep normally


but God did some thing to their ears and that caused them to sleep for more than 300 years

and during this 300 years and while they were sleeping God maintained their bodies in order to stay normal

and during this 300 years they did not need to eat or drink and they did not wake up

see the signs in this verse about them

And you might think them awake while they were asleep
and We turned them about to the right and to the left,
while their dog (lay) outstretching its paws at the entrance; if you looked at them you would certainly turn back from them in flight, and you would certainly be filled with awe because of them. 18:18


And you might think them awake while they were asleep
that means thier eyes were not full closed other wise they would be blind



and We turned them about to the right and to the left

if they were not turned left and right then the earth would have eaten them
all that proves is that fairy tales realy do exist
 
Old 04-23-2009, 05:15 AM
 
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all that proves is that fairy tales realy do exist
And of them there are some who listen to you; but We have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; and even if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old." 6:25
 
Old 04-23-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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An interesting fact : When a person goes to Hajj and circumbulate the kaabah, he does it in an anti-clockwise direction. Now...isn't that interesting? Co-incidence? I think not :

It is noteworthy that everything in the universe from atoms to galaxies moves anticlockwise. Everything in this universe move the same direction a Hajj does.
Electrons in atoms move around the nucleus anticlockwise.
The earth platelets moves around the Arabian platelet anticlockwise.
In the human body ,the cytoplasm moves around the nucleus of a cell anticlockwise.
The proteins molecules are arranged from left to the right anticlockwise.
The blood starts its movement from the left side to the right side anticlockwise.
In mothers uterus , the ovum moves around itself anticlockwise.
The sperm, when reaching the ovum, moves around itself anticlockwise.
The human blood circulatory starts its movement anticlockwise.
The earth moves around itself and around the sun anticlockwise.
The sun moves around itself anticlockwise.
The sun with all its solar system moves around a certain point in the galaxy anticlockwise.
The galaxy also moves around itself anticlockwise.

Doesn't this add spiritual meaning to the Muslim circumambulation around Kabba, all from atom to galaxy in submissive motion that Allah imposed on all.
 
Old 04-23-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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Mekka is the center where the radiation of the universe converges.

It has been proven that Mekka is the center of the universe and research followed and to the amazement of the scientists, Mekka has been found to be the center where the magnetic attraction converge and this explains why every one visits mekka is always affectionately attracted to it

Robert Coleman , an American prominent scientists, conducted successive experiments in his lab, he did some experiment on the center of magnetic gravitational source of the earth and the meeting point of the universal radiation , he found that these all meet in one point on the surface of the earth and when he searched for its geographical location, he found that it is Mekka.

He did his study for sheer scientific goals. So, Mekka is the center of the seven continents and it is also the center where the magnetic attraction radiation meet.

The Quranic description of Mekka as " Uma al-koura"meaning the mother of the all cities" adds more spiritual meanings to Mekka; the word" mother" also means heart, the middle, the most important and the source.

Subhanallah! No wonder when a person visits Makkah, he will always feel compelled to want to visit there again and again and again! O Allah invite me as a guest to your 'house' for the Hajj this year 1429. Amin!!
 
Old 04-23-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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Why don't you give the evidence for all of these claims? I don't know about all, but some sound extremely suspicious.
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Electrons in atoms move around the nucleus anticlockwise.
Except in antiparticles. Which, as far as we know, are in minority in the universe, but that hardly makes them irrelevant.
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The earth platelets moves around the Arabian platelet anticlockwise.
"Platelet"? According to my dictionary, that's organic stuff found in the blood.
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The proteins molecules are arranged from left to the right anticlockwise.
Where? In what structure?
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The earth moves around itself and around the sun anticlockwise.
The sun moves around itself anticlockwise.
The sun with all its solar system moves around a certain point in the galaxy anticlockwise.
The galaxy also moves around itself anticlockwise.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all of these depend on perspective? If you look at it "from above", it turns in one direction, but if you look at it "from below", it turns the other way. And since we're in space, "above" and "below" are pure conventions so none is more significant than the other.

Anyway, be wary of confirmation bias. Since the universe is so diverse, if you think a particular movement (or number or whatever) is significant, you'll have no problem finding countless examples. That doesn't prove anything.

Oh, and the "center of the universe" thing? BS. According to the modern Big Bang theory, there is no center of the universe. And the center of the earth is deep under its surface. So what exactly is this Coleman (assuming he even exists, that is) talking about, and what is his evidence?
 
Old 04-23-2009, 10:34 AM
 
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Why don't you give the evidence for all of these claims? I don't know about all, but some sound extremely suspicious.
Except in antiparticles. Which, as far as we know, are in minority in the universe, but that hardly makes them irrelevant.
"Platelet"? According to my dictionary, that's organic stuff found in the blood.
[b]Where? In what structure? ?
Thank you for your interest. Firstly my apology for the error. My bad. It should be tetonic plates not platelet.

As for the galaxy spinning - Astronomy.com - Galaxy Zoo finds universe is left-handed

Regarding proteins - have a read here, its pretty interesting - Proteins Challenge Chance - IslamOnline.net - Health & Science (http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1157365865330&pagename=Z one-English-HealthScience%2FHSELayout - broken link)

Blood moves counterclockwise - Heart & Cardiology: counterclockwise?, left ventricle, pulmonary arteries


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[font=Arial][b]Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all of these depend on perspective? If you look at it "from above", it turns in one direction, but if you look at it "from below", it turns the other way. And since we're in space, "above" and "below" are pure conventions so none is more significant than the other.
Well.....the ones confirming the clockwise or counterclockwise movements are the scientists themselves so I guess they should know better regarding movements....


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Oh, and the "center of the universe" thing? BS. According to the modern Big Bang theory, there is no center of the universe. And the center of the earth is deep under its surface. So what exactly is this Coleman (assuming he even exists, that is) talking about, and what is his evidence?
Robert Coleman is Professor Emeritus at Department of Geological and Environmental Sciences of Stanford University. Look him up.
My bad i think - should read as 'the centre of universal radiation' you know..where all the magnetic radiation meet.
 
Old 04-25-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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elwill wrote

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in one day i was talking with friend of mine about some modern researches , and he mentioned me about this theory " string" which simply state that science proofed existence of fourth dimension while our eyes just can see 3d

he told me that there are theories about existence of more than 16 dimensions (i think) , it's very complex and very interesting



scientists have just confirmed the existence of dark matter. This mysterious dark matter is invisible however it provides the bulk of gravity that holds galaxies (not the regular matter that forms stars and planets). This invisible dark matter has weird collision properties (collisionless).
simply put: We cannot see dark matter nor collide with it but we can detect its gravity.


in this image, two huge clusters of invisible dark matter (in blue) clashed with each other. With each cluster having a mass of 10,000 galaxies (each cluster a quadrillion times the mass of the sun, 1015)!!! (see: universe today). However upon impact, instead of disintegrating into smaller pieces, they passed through each other unscaved! This means that they did not collide with each other either! they simply passed through each other!!!

in order to explain why this invisible dark matter neither collided with each other, nor did it collide with us but still we detected its gravity, physicists and cosmologists are working on theories with extra dimensions:


traditionally scientists thought that we live in a four dimensional universe: Time and the usual three spacial dimensions of length, width and height (x,y,z). However today there is evidence for six extra spacial dimensions. So we cannot see nor collide with this dark matter because it is in the remaining six extra dimensions.


[quran 41.12] so [allah] decreed them as seven heavens (one above the other) in two days and revealed to each heaven its orders. And we [allah] adorned the lowest heaven with lights, and protection. Such is the decree of the exalted; the knowledgeable.

according to the quran, only the lowest heaven has visible light. This means that this dark matter exists in the six heavens superimposed above the lowest one. also according to the quran, each of these remaining six heavens is of a different type and each has its own planets like earth:
[quran 65.12] allah is the one who created seven heavens and from earth like them (of corresponding type); [allah’s] command descends among them so that you may know that allah is capable of anything and that allah knows everything.

earth is not a unique planet in islam. May be other planets like earth do exist throughout the other six heavens. It is just that we cannot see them nor collide with them but we can detect their gravity.


[quran 67.3-4] [allah] is the one who created seven superimposed heavens. you can see no fault in the creation of the most gracious, so redirect your sight, do you see any rifts ? 4 then redirect your sight again, your vision returns to you in defeat and regret.
 
Old 04-26-2009, 03:13 PM
 
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You want proof? Look into you child's eyes! Wonder in amazement how they came to be. Creation must exist? Explain thought and conscious awareness.

Want proof evil exists? Imagine that same child, under your guidance placing a backpack on his or her back with a bomb to kill other children just like him or her.

Nuff said!
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