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You may note believe this, kd, but on this one, I fully agree with you. If, in fatc, it actually happened, it was a supernatural event, and hundreds may have witnessed it (or were convinced they witnessed it...), and by virtue of the fact that it's persisted and that it grew far beyond it's initial sphere of influence, it was a documented supernatural event, with limited "natural" explanations.
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Oh, I also do remember, because my brother in law is a 28 yr devout Scientologist attached to the "celeb" church in LA. He tried to get me involved, and claimed, in all honesty, that if I joined, I'd be able to pass through walls, read books that were locked in other rooms, "see" dead people, including Ron hisself, and a bunch of other implausible things.
But nonetheless, he claimed that this was all easily possible when a person was a "Clear", whatever that means.
I declined, but since he says that church has tens of thousands of members who claim to have such abilities, I suppose this would also classify as documentable supernatural posers that the late Mr. Hubbard can explain when he next returns.
Which, my BiL also tells me, L. Ron does from time to time, to commune with the faithful!
Pretty convincing stuff!
I don't know anything about your brother-in-law's "church"...but when you read the accounts of the changed lives of the people....and how they willingly suffered persecution like they did.....well, it makes one think. People don't accept martyrdom because of what they know to be a lie.
I don't know anything about your brother-in-law's "church"...but when you read the accounts of the changed lives of the people....and how they willingly suffered persecution like they did.....well, it makes one think. People don't accept martyrdom because of what they know to be a lie.
There is nothing particularly unusual about the early Christians' readiness for martyrdom, compared with believers of other faiths. Read the histories of the adherents of all the major religions when they were faced with severe threats.
I don't know anything about your brother-in-law's "church"...but when you read the accounts of the changed lives of the people....and how they willingly suffered persecution like they did.....well, it makes one think. People don't accept martyrdom because of what they know to be a lie.
Like the Japanese Kamakazi pilots fighting on the side of the Nazis?
There's a reason people with advanced educations and living in cosmopolitan areas don't adhere to fundamentalism. It's easy if you're just looking in one direction to draw all sorts of conclusions about martyrdom and Christ. But when you are exposed to many different perspectives, you realize your view can't possibly be the whole story.
I'm asking this question regarding any supernatural phenomenon that has ever occurred and by that I would include miracles, extrasensory perception, astral projection, predicting the future, levitation of one's own body or any object, hauntings, ghosts, communicating with the dead, or any other event which appears to defy the laws of physics. This could be something of a religious nature or it could be some human ability that should seemingly be impossible. What I'm looking for is the single strongest case for any supernatural event that has authoritative and legitimate scientific evidence. By that I mean the kind of evidence you could take into a courtroom and present it to a jury and demonstrate that it is factual. Can anyone come up with any supernatural event that can meet that challenge?
It's a strong possibility that Crop Circles could be proven to be not of this world.
The Midwayers claim to have "something" to do with the crop circles -- they sometimes watch them being made.
I think it was Machiventa who told us, "We too have architects and student architects at Headquarters." Which headquarters? I don't know.
The morontia machines that make the circles are "minded" but have no personality, and the circles are a "vitamin B shot" for the planet -- always placed over an underground stream. These can be seen as orbs in photos or in actuality.
The orbs that you will see more and more often in this, the Correcting Time, are not spies because there are no spymasters. They are not divisive; they are simply living devices that keep their superiors, their owners, those at higher levels, up to date with the goings on that particularly concern them.
Orbs are not Angels. They are certainly not ‘long lost relatives’ or Spirits. They are simply minded machines that can maneuver themselves into any situation where they can record and transmit information to where it is needed elsewhere in the universe.
Another example would be spontanious combustion. There is still a lot of controversy on this topic but I have heard that it's the same thing that happens to truely enlightened people who say they are ready for the spirit world. When they are done, they just go up in flames. Only ashes remain. I believe it is mentioned in the bible but under what circumstances, I have no idea.
Like the Japanese Kamakazi pilots fighting on the side of the Nazis?
There's a reason people with advanced educations and living in cosmopolitan areas don't adhere to fundamentalism. It's easy if you're just looking in one direction to draw all sorts of conclusions about martyrdom and Christ. But when you are exposed to many different perspectives, you realize your view can't possibly be the whole story.
The kamikaze pilots hadn't seen their emperor deity crucified and resurrected. They bought into propaganda.
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I've heard Tesla had a number of peculiar experiences. What visions did he have?
CFL's. Solar power. The electric motor that's runs our world today. The Wardenclyffe Tower (a tower that would make power free for all, till it mysteriously crashed to the ground overnight when the real intentions of Tesla were revealed to the people who were funding him, JP Morgan). Laser defense systems that will end war as we know it. And although not a vision he knew living off of fossil fuels would come to an abrupt end and warned of it. The people in control knew what happens with supply and demand and knew that oil was finite, they also knew how much money they could make off of it and how it could be used to control nations. Not surprisingly it's those same people's companies that run the US today, mainly GE and The house of Morgan.
It was said that when he had visions they were so clear he could not distinguish them from reality. In fact he said he could manipulate the object in the dreams or visions to improve upon it's design. IMO it probably is some wierd variation of a photographic memory caused by making himself a constant conductor and experiment of resonant frequencies from transformers and Tesla coils. Of course that is a severely small account of his overall contributions to today's society.
When he died, his room was searched by the US government, decades later a new never heard of missile defense system with charged particle beams and various other laser programs came about, it was called Star Wars.
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i wish Montana had not used the term 'supernatural'; unusual would have been my choice.
i also wish there were more people able to pick Teslas brain, even after his death ...
and then i would like to name Edgar Cayce, as well.
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