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its actually over stated a bit. we don't know if everything is conserved and everything lasted for ever.
But, if we do take your starting "if as the point, then its acceptable to state "life" came from "life".
life came from life ... so theist, and many atheist, are misunderstanding our relationship to the system we have.
but you are correct, many people don't like the answer that we are just part of a system better described as "insert the most valid claim we can have" and just ignore, change, and deny it. No matter how much less valid they are being.
Life is an exorgenic chemical reaction, it is a subset of none living chemistry. You can just ignore, change, and deny it, it just makes your question begging assertion less valid.
I know you will not like this answer, your sect of atheism never does.
Life is an exorgenic chemical reaction, it is a subset of none living chemistry. You can just ignore, change, and deny it, it just makes your question begging assertion less valid.
I know you will not like this answer, your sect of atheism never does.
I don't like or dislike your answer. I only do how the universe works. You anti-whatever guys are the ones that place emtion over observation, not me.
Lets look at life. "life" is a volume of space that is doing a lot of work "w=f*d work. It actually is a volume that has nothing "alive" init, but it is doing so much work that we classify it as "alive". A cell, is the smallest unit doing so much work that we classify it as life.
Now, two simple notions that lead me to conclude that we are in a living system (not universal, thats too big) is a calculation and a measurement. The calculation is a "work" calculation comparing the work done in a cell to the work being done by the volume in question. second, a measurement, comparing an unknown volume to a known volume.
That really is enough for us regulars that don't have an axe to grind. It doesn't mean a god, but we don't have run away from the idea either. Us being surrounded by the biosphere offers a mechanism, explanation, and makes predictions. "deny everything" does not, thus its less valid.
To top it off, I go QM. QM demonstrates that the universe quantum computed you. Thats just a fact. You are a data construct of the universe. I can go deeper, but it basically self evident so I won't waste time.
You are the one that won't like the answer because my stance is more valid than your stance. you are also in this game for a different reason than I am. I only do how the universe works, I could care less about what literal fundy theist use and think.
its real simple harry ol' chum. whatever you classify a human as, the universe is "more" of that classification. to deny that is not a me problem. I also wont shy away from it because I am mad at how theist mis use that information.
Except the brain that created the vat must be even more complex. Which simply moves the origin one step further while bot answering the question.
Once you realize you are in a caldera you can start to search for its borders.
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