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I am an agnostic, basically I just don't know either way. Convince me of God WITHOUT quoting anything from the Bible. I promise to listen ( or read!) with open mind.
I am an agnostic, basically I just don't know either way. Convince me of God WITHOUT quoting anything from the Bible. I promise to listen ( or read!) with open mind.
if you trace your family tree you will end up with Adam and Adam was created by God
I am an agnostic, basically I just don't know either way. Convince me of God WITHOUT quoting anything from the Bible. I promise to listen ( or read!) with open mind.
you say you're open but if you're limited to a left brain, rational, reasoning mind (which i suspect you are) you will not be "convinced".
intellectual does not = being open.
which is not to say that being intellectual excludes spirituality.
anyway, why do you need anybody to convince you of anything?
do your own work.
if you trace your family tree you will end up with Adam and Adam was created by God
This isn't helping. But how do you know that? See everyone that comes to my door trying to convert me, read from the Bible, thinking that because it is written it is so. Well I read the Hobbit, does that make it true? i know I will get the come back of "well the Hobbit is not Gods word' Well how do you know the Bible is? I have faith in many things. Like the love of my family which I can feel and have seen. I have not seen God or felt anything. How can you have blind faith in a book? Just an honest questions, I really want to know.
you say you're open but if you're limited to a left brain, rational, reasoning mind (which i suspect you are) you will not be "convinced".
intellectual does not = being open.
which is not to say that being intellectual excludes spirituality.
anyway, why do you need anybody to convince you of anything?
do your own work.
Why cant I just get answers instead of comments. If it is so I would like to believe, but I cannot accept answers from a book. If that is the case, I guess I should just believe in Zeus and Apollo, oh and the Mayan gods, oh and the Roman gods, oh and the Norse gods.
I am an agnostic, basically I just don't know either way. Convince me of God WITHOUT quoting anything from the Bible. I promise to listen ( or read!) with open mind.
Why would you expect such a thing? The Bible is the best revelation that we have from God.
Having said that, creation itself testifies to the fact that there is a creator. The Cosmological argument states that for every effect there is a cause. Well.....the effect is the universe. Do you have an alternative cause?
This isn't helping. But how do you know that? See everyone that comes to my door trying to convert me, read from the Bible, thinking that because it is written it is so. Well I read the Hobbit, does that make it true? i know I will get the come back of "well the Hobbit is not Gods word' Well how do you know the Bible is? I have faith in many things. Like the love of my family which I can feel and have seen. I have not seen God or felt anything. How can you have blind faith in a book? Just an honest questions, I really want to know.
read the Quran all of it more than 600 pages then after that you judge
but not before that
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago. Understanding Islam and the Muslims - What is the Qur`an?
here is a link for the Quran (all verses)
in the left you can select the sura number and name in the right you select any translation you like
and there is a tick to show the arabic text or to hide and under it there is word tafsir if you click it you get more information
Why cant I just get answers instead of comments. If it is so I would like to believe, but I cannot accept answers from a book. If that is the case, I guess I should just believe in Zeus and Apollo, oh and the Mayan gods, oh and the Roman gods, oh and the Norse gods.
if you can't accept answers from a book why would you accept answers from people whos faith is based on the beliefs of what other people have told them? who have gotten their answers from what other people have told them, and so on.
do you want to be merely a believer and accept what you are told regarding spirituality or do you want direct and personal experience?
if you want direct experience then why be concerned with what other people think or believe?
what do you want?
my original comments were just to challenge the way that you're seeking spiritual answers but not intended to annoy you.
you express irritation at people who try to convert you but then you're on a forum consisting of, in large part, bible believing christians asking them to convince you.
i'm someone outside of that paradigm recognizing that there's something in you that is spiritually curious (at least) and telling you that you can find answers in a different way.
but that takes effort.
so do you want to make the effort or let others convince you and/or try to "convert" you?
(and i'm not saying that fundamentalist christians or whatever kind of religious christians) don't have spiritual experiences by the way).
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