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Old 08-08-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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Thanks for the explanations, though the one for the Earth's craters doesn't make much sense. I mean where in the bible does it say angels were hurling massive asteroids at each other. At what point during god's creation process did this battle take place? Where is the source for this battle?

That's funny.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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Has the speed of light been constant? Is it possible that God created the light "en route"?

in Bible language: light had no speed when it was brought into being on day 1, out of the darkness.
When God made the heaven/s on day 2, they were made as a stretched out expanse between the waters of day 1, and so the light stretched out with the expanse between the waters.
The sun, moon and stars were not made and set in that "expanse" =the stretched out firmament between the divided waters, until day 4.
The sun is the shemesh, a menorrah/light receptacle, and the light itself is inherent in the expanded firmament, between the waters.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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(couldn't get rid of the ad; sorry! Mod?) Astronomy: The earth revolves around the sun, earth revolves around the sun, independent reality

- 11/11/2004

Question
Dear Mr. Stahl,
Without referring to any scientific text, how do I know that the
earth revolves around the sun? Can you prove this to me?

Thanks,
Yasir

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(warning :written for kid's minds, but then, in this case...)

Answer

Hello.

....let's get to specifics. If the Earth revolves around the Sun - and is not static in space - then it must be true that over the course of a year say, we observe differences - for example in:

i) the stars that appear at the same time in the night sky

ii) the altitude and azimuth (position with respect to the horizon's N, S points) of the Sun.

The first is easily verified, say over the course of obseving the night sky at the same time (say, 8 p.m. local time) each night. You will therefore see a procession of different stars, objects as time goes by.

This is the first indicator that Earth must be moving through space and not stationary.

A further observation to reinforce this is *revolution* and not merely linear displacement is obtained by repeating said observations *year after year* and making notes of the objects seen.

In the same 6-month period, therefore, you ought to see the same objects in the night sky at the same time.

This implies repetitive motion, and hence that the Earth is not merely linearly moving in space, but returning time and again to the same relative position in space (e.g. in it s orbit)

Second, the position, altitude of the Sun. If you do the same thing for the Sun, you will note its changing positions both in altitude - at specific calendar dates - and its rising (and setting) positions along the horizon.

Thus, it ought to be obvious - again, say over a 6-month period of observation - that these are changing.

Again, if you repeat them *year after year* you will see the exact same positions duplicated, suggesting that the Earth is returning to its same position in space relative to the Sun. (The seasons, of course, are also indicators of this)

Of course, you can refine measurements - say of the Sun's changing altitude - through the use of an instrument like an astrolabe (which can easily be made using a lead bob attached to a string, and affixed to a wooden or cardboard protractor).

Hopefully, this will help you to see how we know the Earth revolves around the Sun"

Not to mention, again, the obvious role of gravity between bodies of different sizes. If the massive sun tried to revolve around the Earth, we'd be towed around like a ping-pong ball tethered to a lead-filled soccer ball that had been tossed down the road. Obviously.

Horse. Water. Lead to. Still won't drink... Stupid horse!
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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Hey, YSM, are you a "Stork Theory" proponent too?
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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(couldn't get rid of the ad; sorry! Mod?) Astronomy: The earth revolves around the sun, earth revolves around the sun, independent reality

- 11/11/2004

Question
Dear Mr. Stahl,
Without referring to any scientific text, how do I know that the
earth revolves around the sun? Can you prove this to me?

Thanks,
Yasir

Get the answer below


(warning :written for kid's minds, but then, in this case...)

Answer

Hello.

....let's get to specifics. If the Earth revolves around the Sun - and is not static in space - then it must be true that over the course of a year say, we observe differences - for example in:

i) the stars that appear at the same time in the night sky

ii) the altitude and azimuth (position with respect to the horizon's N, S points) of the Sun.

The first is easily verified, say over the course of obseving the night sky at the same time (say, 8 p.m. local time) each night. You will therefore see a procession of different stars, objects as time goes by.

This is the first indicator that Earth must be moving through space and not stationary.

A further observation to reinforce this is *revolution* and not merely linear displacement is obtained by repeating said observations *year after year* and making notes of the objects seen.

In the same 6-month period, therefore, you ought to see the same objects in the night sky at the same time.

This implies repetitive motion, and hence that the Earth is not merely linearly moving in space, but returning time and again to the same relative position in space (e.g. in it s orbit)

Second, the position, altitude of the Sun. If you do the same thing for the Sun, you will note its changing positions both in altitude - at specific calendar dates - and its rising (and setting) positions along the horizon.

Thus, it ought to be obvious - again, say over a 6-month period of observation - that these are changing.

Again, if you repeat them *year after year* you will see the exact same positions duplicated, suggesting that the Earth is returning to its same position in space relative to the Sun. (The seasons, of course, are also indicators of this)

Of course, you can refine measurements - say of the Sun's changing altitude - through the use of an instrument like an astrolabe (which can easily be made using a lead bob attached to a string, and affixed to a wooden or cardboard protractor).

Hopefully, this will help you to see how we know the Earth revolves around the Sun"

Not to mention, again, the obvious role of gravity between bodies of different sizes. If the massive sun tried to revolve around the Earth, we'd be towed around like a ping-pong ball tethered to a lead-filled soccer ball that had been tossed down the road. Obviously.

Horse. Water. Lead to. Still won't drink... Stupid horse!
No matter what you say, not matter how intelligent or right you are, you will get one answer......."you tell lies and are ignorant to the truths of the bible" from yeshu.. someone needs to call 911 on that lady.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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Default QED. Thus proven.

from: Astronomy: The earth revolves around the sun, earth revolves around the sun, independent reality

- 11/11/2004

Question
Dear Mr. Stahl,
Without referring to any scientific text, how do I know that the
earth revolves around the sun? Can you prove this to me?

Thanks,
Yasir

Get the answer below


(warning :written for kid's minds, but then, in this case...)

Answer

Hello.

....let's get to specifics. If the Earth revolves around the Sun - and is not static in space - then it must be true that over the course of a year say, we observe differences - for example in:

i) the stars that appear at the same time in the night sky

ii) the altitude and azimuth (position with respect to the horizon's N, S points) of the Sun.

The first is easily verified, say over the course of observing the night sky at the same time (say, 8 p.m. local time) each night. You will therefore see a procession of different stars, objects as time goes by.

This is the first indicator that Earth must be moving through space and not stationary.

A further observation to reinforce this is *revolution* and not merely linear displacement is obtained by repeating said observations *year after year* and making notes of the objects seen.

(Ed note: Kepler did this, painstakingly, for years, in order to prove the orbits of the planets.)


In the same 6-month period, therefore, you ought to see the same objects in the night sky at the same time.

This implies repetitive motion, and hence that the Earth is not merely linearly moving in space, but returning time and again to the same relative position in space (e.g. in it s orbit)

Second, the position, altitude of the Sun. If you do the same thing for the Sun, you will note its changing positions both in altitude - at specific calendar dates - and its rising (and setting) positions along the horizon.

Thus, it ought to be obvious - again, say over a 6-month period of observation - that these are changing.

Again, if you repeat them *year after year* you will see the exact same positions duplicated, suggesting that the Earth is returning to its same position in space relative to the Sun. (The seasons, of course, are also indicators of this)

Of course, you can refine measurements - say of the Sun's changing altitude - through the use of an instrument like an astrolabe (which can easily be made using a lead bob attached to a string, and affixed to a wooden or cardboard protractor).

Hopefully, this will help you to see how we know the Earth revolves around the Sun"

Not to mention, again, the obvious role of gravity between bodies of different sizes. If the massive sun tried to revolve around the Earth, we'd be towed around like a ping-pong ball tethered to a lead-filled soccer ball that had been tossed down the road. Obviously.

Horse. Water. Lead to. Still won't drink... Stupid horse!
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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Ancient and new geoglyphs, made for seeing from high up. The ancient ones are not consistent with the doctrines of evolution.
YouTube - Google Earth Secret, Hidden, and Amazing and Places! strange modern ones mixed in with the ancient ones in this video!


YouTube - Google Earth Secret, Hidden, and Amazing and Places!
Fiefox and CokaCola logos...

Surely the work of the ancients!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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in Bible language: light had no speed when it was brought into being on day 1, out of the darkness.
When God made the heaven/s on day 2, they were made as a stretched out expanse between the waters of day 1, and so the light stretched out with the expanse between the waters.
The sun, moon and stars were not made and set in that "expanse" =the stretched out firmament between the divided waters, until day 4.
The sun is the shemesh, a menorrah/light receptacle, and the light itself is inherent in the expanded firmament, between the waters.
So what holds up the heavens, in Bible language? -Force/Power/His Word.
How did YHWH stretch out the firmament -the heavens- under the waters, between the waters? -by His intelligence/understanding.
Jer 10:12 ¶ He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion/intelligence/understanding.
Jer 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, [and] there is nothing too hard for thee
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out ; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded/appointed/set up.
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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Fiefox and CokaCola logos...

Surely the work of the ancients!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Who said they were. Do you never "read" what is posted, before you open your mouth to place your foot in it?
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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Fiefox and CokaCola logos...

Surely the work of the ancients!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahaahhahahahahahahahahahah OMG!!!!!!!! Seriously, she does not know that it is a JOKE video!!!!!!!!!!
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