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The skyrocketing cost of health care isn't breaking our country? Nearly 15 million people have lost their jobs because of the "free market" aka George W. Bush and Company ran. Where are they going to get health care? From you?
I'm not sure the guvment can fix that. You think it's expensive and mismanaged now? Just wait until they have a monopoly on it.
Do you really think Christ would approve a health plan that pays for abortions?
Our country was founded on Christian values, but the present day government wants to leave God out of everything, so I doubt this health plan is founded on Christian values. Would Christian values throw Grandma under the bus?
I live in an area that has churches that take care of the members there. If someone is overwhelmed with medical bills, we all get together and have a barbecue, a singing and donate to that cause. That's the answer, not the government.
First of all Christ would tell you that all life is precious. That was apparently not evident with a sick and troubled man that shot up a LA fitness center outside of Pittsburgh. And now that cost will be passed on to all. Just think of all the crime in the U.S. that has put a drain on our communities and medical profession.
And as I said in another post a while back, if a mother who is pregnant is in a medical condition that forces her to chose between her life or the child's life; when the choice is made there is no fault to any choice, but give honor to the one that would sacrifice their life, even when the child cannot make a choice. Who would be the judge of that decision? Certainly not you.
As far as your church helping out, that's great, but I know a lot of churches that are struggling cause their gifts from the parishioners have gone way done because too many are losing their jobs.
Are we not the "United" States. Are we not suppose to help people when they can not help themselves? You say churches, but, yet I see Multi million dollar churches that were built by some denominations with extravagant cosmetic dressings. Not all churches are Christ like to be sure.
Just so it's clear, the $1400 is combined Federal, State, FICA and Medicare taxes. I wish I made enough to pay $1400/month in just Federal income tax. I am comfortable and worked very hard to get where I am (I am a network design engineer). Earned and paid for my Bachelor's and Master's degrees all the while working and raising a family. Did it all myself. Not a boast, but rather to show that a guy from the smallest minority group in the country who started his adult life as a maintenance guy at an amusement park can do it if they decide to.
I agree, the cost of medical education is outrageous. But there are other things. Medicare abuse is one of the prime contributors of the costs though. Ambulance chasing lawyers are another big contributor. The cost of malpractice insurance is killing doctors. Tort reform is badly needed. Lastly is the cost of Medicaid in states with large populations of illegal immigrants. You take those four things together and we are now in the position we are in.
Good point and well taken. I can agree with tort reform to a degree, maybe something like we have for car insurance, where it is an elective to chose if you want full tort or not. Now on illegal immigrants that's a two edge sword. One; a lot of Mexicans are going back to Mexico cause the economy is really bad, secondly the reason we have had so many illegals is two fold in and of itself; Corporate America loves it and then there is the illegal drug trade. How do you break that cycle?
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Don't insurance companies have a monopoly on it now?
Yes. Insurance companieS
Notice the "S" on the end? I'd rather have the power split among for profit and non-profit companies than the government. At least the companies have members or shareholders to please. The government can run unchecked.
Notice the "S" on the end? I'd rather have the power split among for profit and non-profit companies than the government. At least the companies have members or shareholders to please. The government can run unchecked.
That's true, but since I worked for a lobbyist in my state many years ago, they, the insurance companies work in unison when they try to keep control.
I would much prefer "non-profit" insurance companies then for profit companies. That I believe is the way to go with strict guide lines so no illegal doings can turn a good non-profit insurance company into a bad insurance company.
Notice the "S" on the end? I'd rather have the power split among for profit and non-profit companies than the government. At least the companies have members or shareholders to please. The government can run unchecked.
You mean you have more faith in those for profit insurance companies than your own government?
Oh ye of little faith... Many other nations are able to successfully run health care programs, why do you think yours cannot? The US is the only developed country remaining without universal health care...Kinda behind the times aren't you?
I don't think most people in the U.S. want the government to provide the health care to everyone, anymore than they want the government to provide food to everyone, or housing to everyone. Of course, I haven't lived there in awhile, so maybe things are changing now.
If people are too poor, people should get a govt subsidy or govt provided health care. But I don't know why the tax payers should pay for rich peoples health care anymore than they should pay for their food or housing. For many people in the U.S., that doesnt seem like a legitimate role for government, at least when I lived there.
Do you think everyone should get free government food, or just the poor people? How is that different than health care?
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