Let's see proof of creation (Biblically, minority, charity, organizations)
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Am I misinterpreting your statement or are you laying down a numbers card to support your belief that God does not exist?
Yes, billions of people have their own cultural name for and understanding of God, but those billions do believe that there is a Supreme Creator/God of some description.
I might be able to dig out the references but as I recall, polls show that 93% of Americans have a Bible in their home and I think only about 15% of Americans do not belong to an organized religious denomination.
Although it is threatened today by powerful elitists, America was founded on Judeo Christian principles. I think it likely that most Americans continue today to love and honor Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice for all mankind.
How many atheists do you think live in America today?
The number of people with bibles proves nothing ( sanspeur says as he glances at the two bibles on his book shelves ). You are also wrong about the principles America was founded on as you should know, since it is your country.
Yes, most Americans still believe, but those numbers are shrinking fast. Did you know that the number of people in your country, when asked "what is your religion" and have replied "none" has increased by 138% over the last decade?
The 2001 ARIS report found that while 29.5 million U.S. Americans (14.1%) describe themselves as "without religion", only 902,000 (0.4%) positively claim to be atheist, with another 991,000 (0.5%) professing agnosticism. The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion. Of which, 1.6% explicitly describe themselves as atheist or agnostic, double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure.
More deflection...(Common among theists) The topic is prove creation, not god. You can do neither, whatever tools you choose to use. Personal opinion and your esoteric experiences are not proof except to and in your own mind.
Works for me!
But you too reach conclusions and create personal opinions and beliefs by using your own brain to examine and assess data fed to it from a variety of sources do you not?
I think we're all in agreement that the methods and tools of science are not adequate to prove the existence of God, or that He does not exist. And that scientists are probably going to argue with each other for many decades or maybe even centuries about how the universe came to be.
Christians too don't know HOW God created this planet and the lights in the sky. We just know for sure, all of us, atheist and theist alike, that the universe EXISTS!
But it's fun for theists to explore and try to understand how some otherwise reasonable people can come to the conclusion, given all the evidence around them all the time, that there is no God.
Enjoy your wonderful city of victory without fear my friend, I often visit.
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Creation scientists have discovered the 6,000-year-old remains of a gigantic snake, from which modern boas are descended. Is this the serpent from the Garden of Eden?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/02/titanoboa/titanoboa.jpeg (broken link)
The small, pale bone between those labeled “a†and “b†is from a modern boa, which is typically about 10 feet long. Creation scientists believe that the supernatural owner of the larger bones was a mammoth 42-foot-long, 2500 pound monster!
Now, many folks who are not familiar with the Bible might think that the serpent in Eden was Satan, the fallen angel. The Bible says no such thing; that is a fiction invented by the Catholic church.
I think we're all in agreement that the methods and tools of science are not adequate to prove the existence of God, or that He does not exist.
Actually this is simply not so, JMX; A true documented miracle, upon request from, let's say, the Pope, would more than empirically prove, to most skeptics at least, the prescence of God. Otherwise, if He does exist, He surely seems to have abandoned the project, wouldn't you agree? Given that it's all going to pot here on Earth, according to desperately hopeful Christian fundy acolytes, packing their bags for the Golden Ship's arrival.
Maybe He's like a travelling PhD student, tending to His several (for statistical validity) other planets. Where, you know, he innoculated some with a two-strand DNA molecule such as Linus Pauling originally speculated before Watson & Crick, via inexorible scientific methods, found the correct one?
Bouncing around space, going from star system to star system, measuring temp, humidity, atmospheric content, etc. (like any good scientist), and then getting back in his Mk I Russian-built Star-Clunker Mk. I, dreaming of one of the new German-built BSW (Bayerische Spacen Werke) models to show off to His buddies Zeus, Woden etc. who all took on less demanding studies "soz we can go for the chicks, man!!!"
Those Greek gods!!! So predictable!
Perhaps God's just out there, payin' back his student loans slowly, and collecting data, and "jus' ain't got back hea'h yet?" (God's a Suth'n'a, didn't you know? The south shall rise agin!, bruthahs!)
Christians too don't know HOW God created this planet and the lights in the sky. We just know for sure, all of us, atheist and theist alike, that the universe EXISTS!
(Now comes the big logical and assumptive disconnect...)
But it's fun for theists to explore and try to understand how some otherwise reasonable people can come to the conclusion, given all the evidence around them all the time, that there is no God.
But see, there is no real or proper evidence that you, or even a scientifically illiterate person, can accept absent a desperate wish or need to accept one single version out of literally millions of possibilities.
Christians sit here spouting absolutes such as "We're here, therefore we were created, therefore there's a God. Just look around you!"
Examine that one carefully, rigorously and intellectually. There. Done? Nonsense, isn't it? On it's silly face.
We do all of this with our very limited, and yet arrogant, hubristo-hominid* attitude. As though we have what it takes, intellectually, to figure it ALL out. Well, sorry, neither you nor I do. (Though perhaps MysticPhD does...)
The difference? If you just go with the assumptive approach, you'd have turned off the intelligent acquisition of knowledge about 2000 years ago, and we'd still be kneeling, facing East once a day, and listening intently to the loudspeaker God.
Theists seem incapable of allowing for our currently limited IQ and the consequences of those limits. They accuse scientists of being arrogant, that desperate combative strategy being to go for the "180˚ out" accusal. You know; to throw readers off the trail, so to speak...
Scientists arrogant? To the contrary, they are always aware, and happily state, the limitations of deductions acquired using the limited science of the day, knowing better science is always just around the corner.
Tomorrow's answers will inevitably be better, more accurate, more conclusivve, and supportive of that elusive Greater Unified Theory that Einstein spoke so lovingly of.
Scientists are thus very conservative in their pronouncements, and remain happily open to seeing the next breed of up-and-coming new thinkers have at their pet theories.
Let's not confuse basic human emotions, greed and infantile behavior, observable in any cohort,[even within the scientific community] with good, published, peer-reviewed knowledge, OK?
As correctly noted above, the ongoing processes and accomplishments of an honest application of TSM continue to establish a better understanding of the greter unvierse. AS this process continues, the staked-to-the-ground biblical mythology version, with it's limited and ambiguous means of interpreting everything, falls by the wayside. Putting Benny Hinn's or Pat Robertson's unique brand of intellect and deductive reasoning aside, theists don't have much to go on any more BUT faith.
Good for them. Fortunately, scientific questioning proceeds unabated.
*hubristo-hominid": the unfortunate and sadly assumptive attitude that since we're capable of self-realization, of visualizing our past and future, that we therefore understand it all. We're so durned clever! Oh, and what we can't understand, we'll attribute to a convenient God story we invented. To fill in the cracks, so to speak.
"God Caulking™". "seals any leaks, stops any arguments! ""Comes in colors pink and pleasant, glows in the dark 'cause it's irridescent..." You know the rest.
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Reason: nifty new stuff!
Good for them. Fortunately, scientific questioning proceeds unabated.
As I've written many times, I have no problem with science, I wish scientists the very best with their research. (Might even pray for some of them. )
Is it your opinion that the approximately 902,000 atheists in the USA are more enlightened than or somehow superior to the 300,000,000 or so Americans who believe that God exists? Just wondering...
Last edited by justamere10; 10-02-2009 at 11:14 AM..
Science is constantly rethinking it's theories....That's how it advances...If you think this discovery will change the thinking on how evolution works or cast doubt on the theory, you are wrong....All it does is give us one more piece of the puzzle about human origins.
O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women; and fear Allah through Whom you demand (your mutual rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship) . Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.
Is it your opinion that the approximately 902,000 atheists in the USA are more enlightened than or somehow superior to the 300,000,000 or so Americans who believe that God exists? Just wondering...
Is it your opinion that the millions of people who once thought the world was flat were more enlightened or superior than the handful of people who thought it wasn't? Just wondering...
Yes, most Americans still believe, but those numbers are shrinking fast. Did you know that the number of people in your country, when asked "what is your religion" and have replied "none" has increased by 138% over the last decade?
The 2001 ARIS report found that while 29.5 million U.S. Americans (14.1%) describe themselves as "without religion", only 902,000 (0.4%) positively claim to be atheist, with another 991,000 (0.5%) professing agnosticism. The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion. Of which, 1.6% explicitly describe themselves as atheist or agnostic, double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure.
It's true that there has been a trend away from organized religion. But that doesn't mean people are abandoning their belief in God, just their dependence on what paid pastors and ministers have to offer.
I noticed today even more evidence that the pendulum is beginning to swing from the values the extreme "left" on the political pendulum traditionally represent towards the center or even towards the conservative side. For example:
"Popular support for abortion rights has dropped seven points in the past year due in part to the election of a pro-choice Democratic president, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life said Thursday. In the largest shift in sentiment since pollsters began asking about the topic in 1995, support dropped from 54 to 47 percent in one year. Opposition rose from 40 to 44 percent and the percentage of undecided rose from 6 to 9 percent."
What results? How would you go about applying the scientific method and using cutting edge manufactured tools to prove the existence of God?
Probably by measuring for the effects of god on the real world, just like we detect anything else that's real.
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Wrong method, wrong tools...
Special pleading. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.
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