Let's see proof of creation (body, Noah, created, Roman)
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Let me guess, that would be weapons of war now would it not? Certainly not motor cars considering the ugly specimens you lot produce that invariably fall apart far sooner than say my German Mercedes C280 or either of my two Japanese Camrys. Yeah I used to own a Ford, but when it got exited it always left a puddle of oil beneath it.
I remember back in 1995/6 we in SA already had the new GSM digital cell phone technology with "go anywhere in the world and use your cell phone" (except the USA) that you Americans only caught up with years later.
Look at the European Space agency, the airbus utilizing carbon fibre way before you folk with digital cockpits that your, FAA insisted on a analogue mechanical compass and false horizon for certification (originally)
You are still cranking out old technology stuff that is why you now lag the rest of the world.
If you think the Apache helicopter is advanced technology, see the South African Rooivalk developed by Denel Aviation
But of course this was developed in the pre 1994 sanctions.
Most of your technological advancements is thanks to the repatriation of German scientists which BTW the Ruskies also did.
Think about TV, you lot stayed with NTSC while the rest of the world went PALvision and of course the Japs led that revolution.
If America is a leader in technology, why do they import so much from the east?
Oh back to my two cars, Germany and Japan were essentially obliterated in WWII so they had far harder challenges ahead of them. How long did it take for them to become world leaders in electronic and motor vehicles? Less than 25 years. In SA we have had plasma TV's for about 4 years now.
The two countries that boomed in WWII were the USA and the UK, look at them today vs. the rest of the world.
Sorry for my rant but the USA is not the leader anymore.
How fashionably anti-American. Some one says "The USA is one of the most technologically developed countries in the world" and you take the opportunity to run on an Anti-Americanoff topic rant. You set up a straw man, as if they had said "the USA is the leader", then you tried to knock it over. How weak.
Did you know about 70% of the medical patents every year come from out the United States? Every year, U.S. citizens win about as many Nobel Prizes in the hard sciences as the rest of the world combined. Yet you don't believe we are "ONE OF" the most technologically developed countries in the worlds?
While it's true our cars are pretty mediocre, most people don't consider cars high technology. Iphones and such, maybe, but not a car? But beyond that, clearly the poster was responding to the technology we have, which is different than the technology we invent.
(I hate to break this too you, but we've had Plasma's in the U.S. for a lot longer than 4 years. In fact, people have already pretty much moved on to LED's and OLEDs by now.)
I can go find some cites, if thats the kind of off topic contest that interest you. But maybe you'll just concede that as much as you may hate the U.S. (and I don't care if you do) we are still not a third world country. Please don't try to pretend South Africa is some powehouse of technology either.
How fashionably anti-American.
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Please don't try to pretend South Africa is some powehouse of technology either.
Oh you do hate it when folk call you on your self perceived world dominance then?
You really do not want to go the SA argument. Pretty much many inventions originating here are used in the USA and worldwide but that would be a strawman like your pharmaceuticals argument. I think I mentioned enough about other nations NOT to make it sound like an SA is better comparison, but I guess patriotism does blur comprehension at times. We other folk kinda got tired of hearing how America won WWII propagated by Hollywood et al. and does seem to bleed over into the sciences too.
The point of the post was not to slam the US but to show that they are not the "dominant force" in the world anymore. Many have caught up and surpassed, granted some of my examples were not in the medical field but then again if the USA was so great in all this, why then withhold it from the masses that cannot pay? I know profits.
The reality is that many nations work together now sharing stuff on the cutting edge of technology as we are now a global village as opposed to competing nations. Sadly the US mindset still needs to catch up on this concept.
Lastly, I am not anti American, you folk are far too sensitive.
Oh you do hate it when folk call you on your self perceived world dominance then?
Again, a straw man you just made up. Nowhere did anyone claim U.S. dominance. But you pretend to call us on a statement no one implied. Just to make it clear - no one here has said the U.S. was dominate.
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You really do not want to go the SA argument. Pretty much many inventions originating here are used in the USA and worldwide but that would be a strawman like your pharmaceuticals argument.
Now I suspect you don't understand what a "strawman" is.
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We other folk kinda got tired of hearing how America won WWII propagated by Hollywood et al. and does seem to bleed over into the sciences too.
Who said anything about WWII? You have to wait for people to actually make the arguments before you disagree with them. see the strawman reference, above.
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The point of the post was not to slam the US but to show that they are not the "dominant force" in the world anymore.
And who argued that the US was THE DOMINATE FORCE? No one. Again, you have to wait for people to make the argument before you refute it. Otherwise, strawman.
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The reality is that many nations work together now sharing stuff on the cutting edge of technology as we are now a global village as opposed to competing nations. Sadly the US mindset still needs to catch up on this concept.
Right, because the US isn't into Global capitalism. Seriously, do you read what you right?
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Lastly, I am not anti American, you folk are far too sensitive.
Yes you clearly are, but it doesn't really matter. Not many people care whether you like the US or you're fashionably anti-American.
I'd love to open up a thread comparing US and SA technology. We had telecommunications when the US was still drumming. We had heart transplants when the US was still using leeches. Sorry, I'm stopping right here.
Back to the topic: why take science as the preventer of religion? I don't see it that way.
I call the scientific process, the thinking process, the approach to a problem the #1 factor when it comes to assessing religion.
I don't apply faith when researching a problem, but reproducible and researchable facts and experiments. I then develop an idea once I've tested it, without saying: I don't understand it and thus it requires something super-natural, into a hypothesis and only once it has been shown to true, does it become a theory. Applying this to religions I come up blank.
Again, a straw man you just made up. Nowhere did anyone claim U.S. dominance. But you pretend to call us on a statement no one implied. Just to make it clear - no one here has said the U.S. was dominate.
Now I suspect you don't understand what a "strawman" is.
Who said anything about WWII? You have to wait for people to actually make the arguments before you disagree with them. see the strawman reference, above.
And who argued that the US was THE DOMINATE FORCE? No one. Again, you have to wait for people to make the argument before you refute it. Otherwise, strawman.
Right, because the US isn't into Global capitalism. Seriously, do you read what you right?
Yes you clearly are, but it doesn't really matter. Not many people care whether you like the US or you're fashionably anti-American.
My my, I think I have struck a chord or what?
This is way off topic but yes I reacted out of frustration having to listen how great the USA is as if other nations too are not equal or better hence my many comparisons which you never bothered to address or acknowledge.
The inference was there or maybe I am overly sensitive but because I have wee bit of a different perspective on the world and do not get the biased news you folk do, that may explain why.
As stopspamming stated, two areas where we were leaders. I leave it at that too.
The USA is not technicnology bereft but neither are we and neither are many other developed nations.
Shall we look at the quote I responded to?
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That surely proves that I'm not a simpleton because I don't get your point.
What does science have to do with religion? The USA is one of the most technologically developed countries in the world but there are apparently fewer than one million atheists (0.4%) among a population of more than 300,000,000. As previously noted, polls are showing a trend away from organized religion, but former church goers are not rushing to abandon their belief in God, just unfulfilling programs.
What is bigger than MOST? Mostest? Granted he said "one of" as a qualifier. Yet in context the inference is that technology <> atheism which in itself is a strawman.
If I look to leaders in Technology, that would be Japan and Germany and we all know how their demographics pan out wrt religion.
You have a far more liberal expanded worldview and had you made a similar statement I would have said nothing; having read many of your posts - one can draw conclusions you know.
BTW you are not the first person to accuse me of being anti-American.
As an aside, the only two nations that never fully adopted the metric system are, you guessed it, the USA and UK.
Ach'lly, SA, it used to be Burma and the US s Imperial Measure holdouts. now it;'s just us Yanks! As an ex-Canuck, I build all my current household projects, as well as the pickup truck campers I used to design and build, to metric standards. Which is easier to note?
11" plus two of those bigger dividers, plus one and a half of them littler ones" or, 284 mm?
But do NOT forget, else we come and getcha, we DO have the F-22, the M1A1, the F45 (oh damn, I wasn't supposed to mention that one... Sorry Rummy...), the Mayo Clinic, Ronny Reagan's Star Wars techology [killed the Rooskies, didn't it?], crappy profit-oriented but sloppy health care (ooops), and GPS in our underwear. Oh, and Mac computers! Awesome!
You guys do have some nice red wines though....
Hey, I emmigrated to the US from socialistic Kanada, and I'm still v. proud of it. We just have to suppress the greed, the profiteering, the lusty global imperialist-adventurism behaviour, the uber-over-consumptive behaviour of our children, our "funnier than thou" attitude (remember: America has more stand-up comics per capita than anywhere else on earth! WE have a lot to laugh about!).
And finally, don't forget we have Harleys, Smith & Wessons and big, massive dually-wheeled diesel four-door pickups to tranport two guys, hooting and hollering, to a NASCAR race. None of that namby-pamby sissified F1 stuff; can you drive a McLaren F1 off a cliff, loaded with ten cases of real good Bud Light beer and two hot chicks onboard, and expect it to still work after the impact? No way, man!
I understand your point about authority, but I think that some large Christian denominations still require that their members accept the 4th century "trinity" doctrine. Or am I incorrect in that?
I guess I'm not following you. Please explain why you think it is science that is moving people away from organized religion instead of the things I suggested as possibly being more likely.
I'm not disagreeing with you, only suggesting that sciences are part and parcel of the exodus (pun).
Ach'lly, SA, it used to be Burma and the US s Imperial Measure holdouts. now it;'s just us Yanks!
To my knowledge, the UK is still in transition. Last time I was there, they sold their fuel in litres but the road signs and speedos of their cars are dual km/h & mph with the odo at miles as the speed limits and road demarcations still imperial. They actually measure fuel economy in miles per litre. Unless they have changed over.
I was in early junior school (early 70's) when we switched to metric so we actually were taught to convert. As for them spanners and wrenches, yup a stilson wrench is still sold here in imperial sizes, we still use imperial size in plumbing although 3/4" is 22mm and 1/2" is 15mm on copper and galv steel is still sold in imperial sizes. (I do a bit of plumbing on the sideline) So it is mostly our "poor" (yeah right) plumbers that need to know this complex metric imperial stuff I lie, yes we still have machinery here that hails from the pre-metric era so we kinda have both. At least we have "metric fuel" and speedometers with only one scale. I do remember the days when the speed limits were designated in both mph and km/h (70 & 120) open road.
But is the USA gallon not different to the UK gallon?
Then the seafarers and "airyplanes" still travel in knots
To my knowledge, the UK is still in transition. Last time I was there, they sold their fuel in litres
Yep.....and it's currently £4.79 a gallon or $7.6 US.
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but the road signs and speedos of their cars are dual km/h & mph with the odo at miles as the speed limits and road demarcations still imperial.
Yep
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They actually measure fuel economy in miles per litre.
Just about everyone says 'miles per gallon.'
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But is the USA gallon not different to the UK gallon?
1 UK gallon = 4.546lts
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