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Old 10-17-2009, 04:45 AM
 
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Allow me to explain, in the form of a list of four statements, what the Anti-theistic, "there is no god" fundamentalists and the "My religion is the only one and you should all bow to it" have in common, which is to say, allot:
Why you drop the "atheistic" linking? I think you realized that everyone is atheistic.
There is no big foot, there is no flying spaghetti monster, there is no zeus. Anyone saying this would not be coincided a fundamentalist. Why you might ask? Because it doesn't fall under the definition.

fundamentalism1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2. a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

What fundamental principles (principles, not principle) are there to the believe that there is no god?

When someone says they do not believe, they are saying they have not been convinced by the evidence. Not that there is zero possibility.

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1: THE BIGGEST THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON, THEY BOTH MAKE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GROUPS, THE MODERATES, LOOK BAD.

How many times do we feel embarassed for being "one of them" in the sense that we share their belief system, but not their world view and certaintly not their habits? How many intelligent, tolerant Atheists look down and turn red when some Emo kid goes on a rant about "GOD IS ONLY FOR STUPID PEOPLE!" and throw some half thought out verbal venom about how "evil" religion is? How many moderate, well meaning Christians watch fundies screaming about hell and damnation and Harry Potter and just rub their eyes and shake their heads? Tons.

The biggest thing anti-theists fundies and religious fundies have in common is that they make intelligent, thoughtful, well meaning Atheists and believers look bad by appearing to be the same group as they are while having a ridiculous view on their respective group.
Nope. I would ask the "emo kid" what god he/she is talking about. Then ask him/her to explain why he believes his claim, if he/she can not I dismiss his/her outburst. But this is my response, not an atheist response.
Dogmatic doctrines are evil. This video explains it very well.

YouTube - The Human Dilemma: Dogma And Ignorance

Atheism isn't a belief. The only thing you can conclude that two atheist have in common is a disbelief in deities. Anything else is that person own choice.
Just as I explained before, it is impossible to be a atheist "fundie".

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2: They both feel as if they know more about an "opposing" religion then the people in them do.
I have had so many arguments with Anti-Theists radicals who preach on and on about "God being a fairytale". I say that as a Gnostic, we are suppose to doubt and take scripture as not literal and understand that it is not the belief and faith, but the practice and understanding that matters...and they say "no, you believe in a fairy tale!" I say "no, we understand the Myths and how they relate to everday life in the form of a metaphor"...they, again, say "NO! YOU BELIEVE IN A FAIRY TALE!"...
I have also seen the dumbest things from religious freaks as well. They argue with Catholics and say they pray to saints, when they do not, and do not listen to an explaination about what they are really doing, they argue with Buddhist and say that Buddhism teaches that if someone is a bad person he will be reincarnated as a frog, and do not listen to a Zen master's explaination that that is not the case.
Both groups go on and on thinking they know more about your religion then you do. I can understand not argeeing on the doctrine...BUT DO SHUT UP WHEN TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT DOCTRINE INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND TALKING LIKE YOU KNOW IT BETTER THEN THE PERSON FOLLOWING IT.
Whooooaaaahh, he drop the word "faith", we are suppose to back off and respect it.... yea right.
Exactly how does god created the heaven and earth in 6 days a "metaphor"? Trying to claim that everything in the bible that is wrong of evil is just a "metaphor", is the most pathetic apologetic argument I have ever heard.
Carl Sagan short speech is far more beautiful then the primitive notions in the Christians scriptures.

YouTube - Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

The christian god is a fairy tale.
Fairy tale
–noun 1. a story, usually for children, about elves, hobgoblins, dragons, fairies, or other magical creatures. (like god using the spell - "and let their be light")
2. an incredible or misleading statement, account, or belief: His story of being a millionaire is just a fairy tale.

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3: Neither groups want to learn anything about their own bloody history.
Go to any Christian fanatic and point to the Crusades, the Inquestion, or the massacre of the natives, and they will say "NO! those weren't real Christians so I don't have to think about that!" Go to any anti-theists and point out the Soviet Unions oppression of religion, Enver Hoxha's "scientific, rational" state of oppresion or the Atheistic Cult of Reason's bloody massacre of Christians in the French Revolution and they will say "No! They weren't real Atheists, so I don't have to think about that!"

Both the Reverend Falwells and the Chrisopher Hitchens of the world have this deluded, "ignorance is bliss" attitude about the bloody history of their own fanatical brand of their belief systems that is unsettling to say the least. Reverend Falwell would just shrug at someone pointing out how the bloody Protestants forced so many Native Americans to convert to Christianity:

Americanization (of Native Americans) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the same hand, if I approached some radical Anti-theists like Hitchens with the existince of the Cult of Reason in France, a radical Atheistic terrorist faction existing in the French Revolution who massacred tens of thousands of innocent people, including old ladies who had the nerve to keep a cross in their homes, they would just snort and walk away, while completely ignoring the facts:
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The majority of the moderates in both camps would look at these two examples and say "yahh, we should learn from those things and see that even our views can lead to something no one wants to see", while the fanatics remain too blinded by their own fanatical ways to see that they have a very scary resemblance to those mad men of yestyear.
When ever I hear or read the hate filled venom of either a Christian fundie or a Anti-Theists extremists, I cannot help but think of the words of George Santayna, "Those who cannot learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it."
"Not real atheist", you are ignorant to what an atheist is
Being a non belief atheism can not motivate you to do anything. I am no more link to anyone who is an atheist, then I am to any one who is a non-"flat earth believer".
"Anti-Theists extremists"? How the hell do you become extreme in a non belief? Asanta = I don't believe in Santa... Asanta extremists = I reeeaaallly don't believe in santa...

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4: Both are positive beyond any measure of the word that their view is the right view.
Both the radical Atheists and the Fundamentalist are absolutely convinced that their view is the only view to the very core of their being, and that is why they are so dangerous. While majority of people on Earth can shrug and say "well, who know really if I am right? I feel I am right, but then again, so could that other person and that other person, therefore, should be allowed to have his/her opinion".
It is that understanding that there is a chance that we are wrong that is the basis for allot of our tolerance.
For the anti-theists radical and the fundie, however, it is just "I AM RIGHT BECAUSE (insert the Bible or the sciences/Reason here) SAYS SO AND I THEREFORE DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW ANY RESPECT TOWARDS ANYONE ELSE'S VIEW BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG AND I AM RIGHT!"

It is that boneheaded, intolerant attitude that makes them so dangerous indeed.
"Both are positive beyond any measure of the word that their view is the right view." That would be a dogmatic belief.
I have yet to find a atheist, who couldn't tell me exactly what would change their view on atheism.
I have yet to find a single theist who could tell me what would change their view on theism.
Out of these two, only one follows a dogmatic pattern.

How do you have a radical non belief? Would it be alright to say you have a radical non belief in big foot? What if people wanted me to get on my knees and pray to this big foot, would it be radical to say "that's stupid"? A sane person would not call a rational decision radical belief.

You mean besides all the evidence destroying the fairy tales of the Abrahamic gods? I'm sure that won't make me positive that they do not exist...

Maybe next time you go on a rant, you may want to do just a little research before throwing down your obvious ignorance.
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Old 10-17-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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Right when arguing with pea-brains, be they Atheistic fundie pea-brains, or Christian fundie pea-brains. Yes, I am right when I argue against fanatics, be they Atheist or Christian or any other religion...what's your point?

Ohh, and I never said my religion was the right one: Unlike Atheistic fundie, who believe that Atheism is the one true religion, I will say it again: MY RELIGION IS NOT THE ONE TRUE RELIGION! IT IS THE ONE TRUE RELIGION FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE! ALL OF YOU, WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGION, DO AS JOSEPH CAMPBELL SAID: "FOLLOW YOUR BLISS" THE RELIGION THAT WORKS FOR YOU IS THE TRUE ONE FOR YOU.

Now...will any of the Atheistic or Christian fundies on this board make the same statment? Thought not.

So, do shut-up.
Wow, you didn't even give me a chance to reply as to whether or not I would say something similar before telling me to shut up. How old are you? 5? Because that's the same argumentative tactics I notice between children on the playground at my daughter's school.
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Old 10-17-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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Allow me to explain, in the form of a list of four statements, what the Anti-theistic, "there is no god" fundamentalists and the "My religion is the only one and you should all bow to it" have in common, which is to say, allot:

1: THE BIGGEST THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON, THEY BOTH MAKE THE MAJORITY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE GROUPS, THE MODERATES, LOOK BAD.

How many times do we feel embarassed for being "one of them" in the sense that we share their belief system, but not their world view and certaintly not their habits? How many intelligent, tolerant Atheists look down and turn red when some Emo kid goes on a rant about "GOD IS ONLY FOR STUPID PEOPLE!" and throw some half thought out verbal venom about how "evil" religion is? How many moderate, well meaning Christians watch fundies screaming about hell and damnation and Harry Potter and just rub their eyes and shake their heads? Tons.

The biggest thing anti-theists fundies and religious fundies have in common is that they make intelligent, thoughtful, well meaning Atheists and believers look bad by appearing to be the same group as they are while having a ridiculous view on their respective group.

2: They both feel as if they know more about an "opposing" religion then the people in them do.

I have had so many arguments with Anti-Theists radicals who preach on and on about "God being a fairytale". I say that as a Gnostic, we are suppose to doubt and take scripture as not literal and understand that it is not the belief and faith, but the practice and understanding that matters...and they say "no, you believe in a fairy tale!" I say "no, we understand the Myths and how they relate to everday life in the form of a metaphor"...they, again, say "NO! YOU BELIEVE IN A FAIRY TALE!"...
I have also seen the dumbest things from religious freaks as well. They argue with Catholics and say they pray to saints, when they do not, and do not listen to an explaination about what they are really doing, they argue with Buddhist and say that Buddhism teaches that if someone is a bad person he will be reincarnated as a frog, and do not listen to a Zen master's explaination that that is not the case.

Both groups go on and on thinking they know more about your religion then you do. I can understand not argeeing on the doctrine...BUT DO SHUT UP WHEN TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS THAT DOCTRINE INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND TALKING LIKE YOU KNOW IT BETTER THEN THE PERSON FOLLOWING IT.

3: Neither groups want to learn anything about their own bloody history.

Go to any Christian fanatic and point to the Crusades, the Inquestion, or the massacre of the natives, and they will say "NO! those weren't real Christians so I don't have to think about that!" Go to any anti-theists and point out the Soviet Unions oppression of religion, Enver Hoxha's "scientific, rational" state of oppresion or the Atheistic Cult of Reason's bloody massacre of Christians in the French Revolution and they will say "No! They weren't real Atheists, so I don't have to think about that!"

Both the Reverend Falwells and the Chrisopher Hitchens of the world have this deluded, "ignorance is bliss" attitude about the bloody history of their own fanatical brand of their belief systems that is unsettling to say the least. Reverend Falwell would just shrug at someone pointing out how the bloody Protestants forced so many Native Americans to convert to Christianity:

Americanization (of Native Americans) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the same hand, if I approached some radical Anti-theists like Hitchens with the existince of the Cult of Reason in France, a radical Atheistic terrorist faction existing in the French Revolution who massacred tens of thousands of innocent people, including old ladies who had the nerve to keep a cross in their homes, they would just snort and walk away, while completely ignoring the facts:
Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The majority of the moderates in both camps would look at these two examples and say "yahh, we should learn from those things and see that even our views can lead to something no one wants to see", while the fanatics remain too blinded by their own fanatical ways to see that they have a very scary resemblance to those mad men of yestyear.

When ever I hear or read the hate filled venom of either a Christian fundie or a Anti-Theists extremists, I cannot help but think of the words of George Santayna, "Those who cannot learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it."

4: Both are positive beyond any measure of the word that their view is the right view.

Both the radical Atheists and the Fundamentalist are absolutely convinced that their view is the only view to the very core of their being, and that is why they are so dangerous. While majority of people on Earth can shrug and say "well, who know really if I am right? I feel I am right, but then again, so could that other person and that other person, therefore, should be allowed to have his/her opinion".
It is that understanding that there is a chance that we are wrong that is the basis for allot of our tolerance.
For the anti-theists radical and the fundie, however, it is just "I AM RIGHT BECAUSE (insert the Bible or the sciences/Reason here) SAYS SO AND I THEREFORE DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW ANY RESPECT TOWARDS ANYONE ELSE'S VIEW BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG AND I AM RIGHT!"

It is that boneheaded, intolerant attitude that makes them so dangerous indeed.
You know, in your own weird way victorian, I would classify you with the religious zealots.

You're the one, seemingly in the middle saying that both sides are crazy zealots, while you show your own zeal and fundie like ways by constantly saying that both sides are crazy.

I don't know how to say it, but, it's like your saying, "Both sides are wrong, and my way is the right way! Now, only if you'll do as I say, you'll be as non-zealous and non-fundamentalist like I am!"

And It's not just with the conception of this thread, it's the same in other threads that you've posted about Atheists and Christians alike (and that one about love, good God that gave me a laugh for a while).

To me, it seems as if you hate both what you call zealous Atheists and Christians (when in reality you use all encompassing words such as "all," "them," "they," etc.).

IMO, you are just as bad, if not worse, than zealous Christians and Atheists, except you say that you are not when you clearly show otherwise.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Why you drop the "atheistic" linking? I think you realized that everyone is atheistic.
There is no big foot, there is no flying spaghetti monster, there is no zeus. Anyone saying this would not be coincided a fundamentalist. Why you might ask? Because it doesn't fall under the definition.

fundamentalism1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2. a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture.
b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.

What fundamental principles (principles, not principle) are there to the believe that there is no god?

When someone says they do not believe, they are saying they have not been convinced by the evidence. Not that there is zero possibility.


Nope. I would ask the "emo kid" what god he/she is talking about. Then ask him/her to explain why he believes his claim, if he/she can not I dismiss his/her outburst. But this is my response, not an atheist response.
Dogmatic doctrines are evil. This video explains it very well.

YouTube - The Human Dilemma: Dogma And Ignorance

Atheism isn't a belief. The only thing you can conclude that two atheist have in common is a disbelief in deities. Anything else is that person own choice.
Just as I explained before, it is impossible to be a atheist "fundie".


Whooooaaaahh, he drop the word "faith", we are suppose to back off and respect it.... yea right.
Exactly how does god created the heaven and earth in 6 days a "metaphor"? Trying to claim that everything in the bible that is wrong of evil is just a "metaphor", is the most pathetic apologetic argument I have ever heard.
Carl Sagan short speech is far more beautiful then the primitive notions in the Christians scriptures.

YouTube - Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot

The christian god is a fairy tale.
Fairy tale
–noun 1. a story, usually for children, about elves, hobgoblins, dragons, fairies, or other magical creatures. (like god using the spell - "and let their be light")
2. an incredible or misleading statement, account, or belief: His story of being a millionaire is just a fairy tale.


"Not real atheist", you are ignorant to what an atheist is
Being a non belief atheism can not motivate you to do anything. I am no more link to anyone who is an atheist, then I am to any one who is a non-"flat earth believer".
"Anti-Theists extremists"? How the hell do you become extreme in a non belief? Asanta = I don't believe in Santa... Asanta extremists = I reeeaaallly don't believe in santa...


"Both are positive beyond any measure of the word that their view is the right view." That would be a dogmatic belief.
I have yet to find a atheist, who couldn't tell me exactly what would change their view on atheism.
I have yet to find a single theist who could tell me what would change their view on theism.
Out of these two, only one follows a dogmatic pattern.

How do you have a radical non belief? Would it be alright to say you have a radical non belief in big foot? What if people wanted me to get on my knees and pray to this big foot, would it be radical to say "that's stupid"? A sane person would not call a rational decision radical belief.

You mean besides all the evidence destroying the fairy tales of the Abrahamic gods? I'm sure that won't make me positive that they do not exist...

Maybe next time you go on a rant, you may want to do just a little research before throwing down your obvious ignorance.

So this post

a: Proves point 2: in that the poster has no idea about liberal Christian groups like the United Church of Christ and others, who treat the Bible as a Metaphor

b: Is completely intolerant of an opposing view

c: Does not admit to the harm done throughout history by militant Atheism, even after a link to the Cult or Reason and their terror in the French Revolution against believers was provided.


i.e., the above poster has proven my point completely. Just turn the words around and they might as well have been written by Ferry Falwell.

Thank you for proving my point
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:54 PM
 
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Wow, you didn't even give me a chance to reply as to whether or not I would say something similar before telling me to shut up. How old are you? 5? Because that's the same argumentative tactics I notice between children on the playground at my daughter's school.

So, you attack my one line at the end (i.e., "do shut-up") but say nothing about the content of my reply?

Okay.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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You know, in your own weird way victorian, I would classify you with the religious zealots.

You're the one, seemingly in the middle saying that both sides are crazy zealots, while you show your own zeal and fundie like ways by constantly saying that both sides are crazy.

I don't know how to say it, but, it's like your saying, "Both sides are wrong, and my way is the right way! Now, only if you'll do as I say, you'll be as non-zealous and non-fundamentalist like I am!"

And It's not just with the conception of this thread, it's the same in other threads that you've posted about Atheists and Christians alike (and that one about love, good God that gave me a laugh for a while).

To me, it seems as if you hate both what you call zealous Atheists and Christians (when in reality you use all encompassing words such as "all," "them," "they," etc.).

IMO, you are just as bad, if not worse, than zealous Christians and Atheists, except you say that you are not when you clearly show otherwise.

So, again, I will say this, which I have said, time and time again, but no one awknowledges: I AM NOT RIGHT FOR ANYONE BUT MYSELF IN MY WORLD VIEW AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE FREE TO FORM A WORLDVIEW ON THEIR OWN. ALL RELIGIONS, BE THEY JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, HINDUISM, TAOISM, WICCA OR EVEN ATHEISM ARE 100% CORRECT TO THE PEOPLE PRACTICING THEM AND THERE IS NO TRUE RELIGION: ESPECIALLY MY OWN, WHICH IS ONLY TRUE TO ME AND THOSE OTHERS WHO PRACTICE IT.

So, please explain how the above statement makes me a "zealot".

I am not against any belief system or lack there of, but only against the tactics that certain groups use, be they fundie Christians or fundie Atheist...so, being against people being douche bags to other people makes me a "zealot" in your eyes. Yahh, what ever.

Thanks for a laugh.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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So this post
a: Proves point 2: in that the poster has no idea about liberal Christian groups like the United Church of Christ and others, who treat the Bible as a Metaphor
b: Is completely intolerant of an opposing view
c: Does not admit to the harm done throughout history by militant Atheism, even after a link to the Cult or Reason and their terror in the French Revolution against believers was provided.
i.e., the above poster has proven my point completely. Just turn the words around and they might as well have been written by Ferry Falwell.
Thank you for proving my point
a: I already told you that treating the bible as a metaphor is the most pathetic apologetic argument I have ever seen.
b: Yes all opposing views should be treated equally. Next thing we will know you will be claiming I am intolerant of people who think the earth is flat.
c: Again. Atheism can not influence you to do anything. To claim people killed in the name of atheism is as stupid as trying to claim someone killed in the name of baldness because it is a hair color.

How Many Were Killed by Communists in the Name of Atheism & Secularism? Stalin, Mao, Other Communists Killed Millions on Behalf of Atheism

Myth:
How many people in Communist Russia and China have been killed because of atheism and secularism?
Response:
None, probably.

How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic, right? So weren't all of those people killed because of atheism — indeed, in the name of atheism and secularism?
No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.

You are great at ignoring most of my points.
Clearly if you even bothered to find out what atheism is, you wouldn't be making such ignorant claims.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:07 PM
 
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"Both are positive beyond any measure of the word that their view is the right view." That would be a dogmatic belief.
I have yet to find a atheist, who couldn't tell me exactly what would change their view on atheism.
I have yet to find a single theist who could tell me what would change their view on theism.
Address and tell me why atheism is dogmatic.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:25 PM
 
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a: I already told you that treating the bible as a metaphor is the most pathetic apologetic argument I have ever seen.
b: Yes all opposing views should be treated equally. Next thing we will know you will be claiming I am intolerant of people who think the earth is flat.
c: Again. Atheism can not influence you to do anything. To claim people killed in the name of atheism is as stupid as trying to claim someone killed in the name of baldness because it is a hair color.

How Many Were Killed by Communists in the Name of Atheism & Secularism? Stalin, Mao, Other Communists Killed Millions on Behalf of Atheism

Myth:
How many people in Communist Russia and China have been killed because of atheism and secularism?
Response:
None, probably.
How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic, right? So weren't all of those people killed because of atheism — indeed, in the name of atheism and secularism?
No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness.

You are great at ignoring most of my points.
Clearly if you even bothered to find out what atheism is, you wouldn't be making such ignorant claims.


"Your points?" I didn't say anything about Mao or Stalin, and yet you go off on a long, long lecture about something I never even mentioned.

I did mention, which you, again, ignored, The Cult of Reason, a group which, for no reason other then Atheism, instituted mass murder in the name of creating a "Godless, logical society", watch this video, starting at 4:30, and then get back to me:

YouTube - The Trouble with Atheism (6 of 7)

The Cult of Reason was a bloody Atheistic regime, Reason taken to an extreme and, like anything taken to far, Atheism and Reason can become oppressive and horrable: Cult of Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the 20th century, while the same Atheist fundamentalist apologists always mention Stalin and Mao...they never mention Enver Hoxha.

Enver Hoxha was the dictator of Albania under communism, but his communism was a different kind of Communism. His was "theoretical Communism" and as such, it was all about reason, logic, and the sciences. Albania was the only country EVER to completely ban all religion. Even North Korea and the Soviet Union at least played lip-service to freedom of religion. But in Albania:
Quote:
"The State recognizes no religion, and supports and carries out atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic world outlook in people."
Richard Dawkins might as well of written those words, but no, they came from the Albanian Constitution under Enver Hoxha. So clearly these two examples show that Atheism can be just as deadly, when taken to the extreme, as any religion.

The bottom line is this: No fundie will ever say this, but I will: ATHEISM IS A COMPLETELY LOGICALL, PERFECTLY OKAY CHOICE AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO BE ATHEISTS IF IT WORKS FOR THEM. I do not believe that my religion is the right one for everyone and if people are happy being Atheist, that's okay. It is the fanaticism, the Atheistic Fundamentalism that I am against, and not Atheism in and of it's self.

The fact that I defend Atheism and make it clear that I am only attacking the radical element there in, while you call my, and everyone else's beliefs that differ from yours "stupid" and "a cop-out" etc is proof positive that YOU are the fanatic here, not I.


Ohh, and Joseph Cambpell, world renowned author, Anthropologists and one of the major figures in the studies of religion in the 20th century also treated the Bible, and all other religious Myths, as Myths to live by. So...follow in the foot steps of Joseph Cambpell, or say "diddo" to yet another person on a message board. I'll stick with the world renowned Joseph Campbell, if you don't mind...

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And It's not just with the conception of this thread, it's the same in other threads that you've posted about Atheists and Christians alike (and that one about love, good God that gave me a laugh for a while).

Actually, that thread made me laugh out loud, because it proved the intolerance of so many people. They say "I don't believe in GOD and want nothing to do with religion" and then go on and ATTACK people who believe in religion, and I am suppose to be okay with it (I AM okay with people not believing in GOD, because what ever floats your boat) But I say "I don't believe in Romantic love and want nothing to do with it" and suddenly, it's a field day.

It's much easier being an Atheist then it it being Asexual (I choose to be Asexual, even if I am not biologically that way) If you honestly compare how many times you get asked if you go to church to the times you get asked if you have a girlfriend or boyfriend, and you will see what I mean.

GOD can never hurt me...a girlfriend indeed can. That is one statement of fact that no one managed to refute and people just resorted to personal attacks and hence, it made me laugh.

I have always been of the opinion that everyone should be free to believe what they want to believe, as long as they are respectful while doing so....say something along the lines of "you guys cando what you want, but for me, love is a waist of time" and you become a human pinata.

It's hard out there for an Asexual.
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