Thou shalt not kill! (America, Israel, quotes, nun)

[justme58]

When I saw this thread this morning, I wondered how many posts it would take before a woo woo came up with the "murder actually" apologetic, 4th post.

Well I honestly cannot tell the difference between murder and killing esp when gawd aka the voices in your head says it is OK to kill OR spoken through a "real prophet" like St. Shrub (Bush) to go off and kill muslims in revenge for 9-11 all the while when the good book says "Vengeance is mine sayeth the lawd"

And people still buy this BS?

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by justme58

When I saw this thread this morning, I wondered how many posts it would take before a woo woo came up with the "murder actually" apologetic, 4th post.

Well I honestly cannot tell the difference between murder and killing esp when gawd aka the voices in your head says it is OK to kill OR spoken through a "real prophet" like St. Shrub (Bush) to go off and kill muslims in revenge for 9-11 all the while when the good book says "Vengeance is mine sayeth the lawd"

And people still buy this BS?

Try to get hold of the Christian handbook called...'My Personal Interpretation Of Scripture'...and you'll understand how it all works.

[coosjoaquin]

It's more of a loophole really. How else would you justify things like genocide or the death penalty?

[Melvin.George]

Originally Posted by justme58

When I saw this thread this morning, I wondered how many posts it would take before a woo woo came up with the "murder actually" apologetic, 4th post.

Well I honestly cannot tell the difference between murder and killing esp when gawd aka the voices in your head says it is OK to kill OR spoken through a "real prophet" like St. Shrub (Bush) to go off and kill muslims in revenge for 9-11 all the while when the good book says "Vengeance is mine sayeth the lawd"

And people still buy this BS?

Can't you just see a jet fighter pilot crossing himself as he turns loose a barrage of destructive power into a place where collateral damage will kill more innocents than guilty?

There will come a day when everyone realizes that we are all still the animal at the front of the food chain and usually conduct ourselves exactly that way.

OR WILL THERE?

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by nightflight

Moses comes down the mountain with the Ten Commandments, written in stone by Yahweh. One of the commandments reads, "thou shalt not kill". However, after seeing the Hebrews dancing around a golden calf, Moses gives this command:

"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Ex. 32:27,28

So much for that!

You are the unfortunate victim of bad translations. God did not say "thou shalt not kill". He said you shall not commit murder. God gives the power of the sword to governments.

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he Adam.

[nightflight]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

You are the unfortunate victim of bad translations. God did not say "thou shalt not kill". He said you shall not commit murder. God gives the power of the sword to governments.

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he Adam.

You can still use "murder" and my point will remain.

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

You are the unfortunate victim of bad translations. God did not say "thou shalt not kill". He said you shall not commit murder. God gives the power of the sword to governments.

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he Adam.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Need I continue, there are many more examples, old and new testament.

[Lady Ice]

The problem I have with the differentiation between killing for God and murder is that how do we know for sure which is which? Anyone could say God made me do it and this argument gives them a free pass. God is invisible and can only be heard by the individual internally, it seems, so how do we know if that person has a mandate from God or not? We have to take their word for it apparently and so then what about the evil person who murders and says God told him to?

I would like a Christian to tell me how do they know the difference?

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by Lady Ice

The problem I have with the differentiation between killing for God and murder is that how do we know for sure which is which? Anyone could say God made me do it and this argument gives them a free pass. God is invisible and can only be heard by the individual internally, it seems, so how do we know if that person has a mandate from God or not? We have to take their word for it apparently and so then what about the evil person who murders and says God told him to?

I would like a Christian to tell me how do they know the difference?

He did not give the power of the sword to individuals, but to governments.
He ordained governments.
God ordained "killing" for murder, when he gave Noah his commands after the flood;
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth/pours out Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Psa 75:7 But God [is] the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
God ordains rulers, and vile men get vile rulers set over them:
Dan 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Jesus does not give the power of the sword to the Church, BTW, but to governments.

[Melvin.George]

Originally Posted by Lady Ice

how do we know if that person has a mandate from God or not?

Go with NOT!!!!

The definition of superstition is:

"A belief for which there is no material evidence"

Religion is Santa Claus for adults. IMO