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Old 05-27-2007, 11:30 PM
 
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Yes, it pre-dates, but you are missing the part in where "Homosexuality will be flaunted." Big difference.
Yes, I'm missing that part. Would you mind showing me the scripture?

The Romans were flaunting homosexuality in the second century, so why didn't Jesus return then?

 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:31 PM
 
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Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis??? I'm not the Pastafarian.
You still have to follow the pastafarian rules, thats how imposing works, you get chastised if you don't follow the great FSM.
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:39 PM
 
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Yes, I'm missing that part. Would you mind showing me the scripture?

The Romans were flaunting homosexuality in the second century, so why didn't Jesus return then?

Have you even read the Bible, nv? Even thumbed through its pages? Homosexuality is one of several signs that He will return. Are you going to actually sit there and try to minimize and justify that that homosexuality was flaunted 50+ years ago as it is today? You need a scripture for that? - when it is a fact that you, an Athiest, will only end up twisting it into your own un-Godly view anyway?
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:40 PM
 
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You still have to follow the pastafarian rules, thats how imposing works, you get chastised if you don't follow the great FSM.
Person, you are a hoot. But one question, why are you, the Great Pastafarian, not out doing it yourself at this moment?
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:45 PM
 
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Person, you are a hoot. But one question, why are you, the Great Pastafarian, not out doing it yourself at this moment?
If you mean late night owl, yes, i am a hoot. But I got one with me right now so its all good. I am not great, but I try to be good pastafarian. Seems you still think its a joke, and you certainly don't want to follow His way. I hope one day you will see the light of the great FSM.
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:46 PM
 
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Have you even read the Bible, nv? Even thumbed through its pages?
Yes, I've read the Bible.
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Homosexuality is one of several signs that He will return.
I'm not arguing that it isn't. Would you please provide the scriptural backing?

First you said that flaunting will be the sign. Here you state that homosexuality is a sign. Which is it?

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Are you going to actually sit there and try to minimize and justify that homosexuality was flaunted 50+ years ago as it is today?
Did you miss the part about second century Rome?
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You need a scripture for that? - when it is a fact that you, an Athiest, will only end up twisting it into your own un-Godly view anyway?
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:48 PM
 
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If you mean late night owl, yes, i am a hoot. But I got one with me right now so its all good. I am not great, but I try to be good pastafarian. Seems you still think its a joke, and you certainly don't want to follow His way. I hope I day you will see the light of the great FSM.
I'm going to pray for you, Person.
 
Old 05-27-2007, 11:49 PM
 
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I'm going to pray for you, Person.
I am going to pray for you too.









RAmen.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 12:15 AM
 
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It is common sense of the progression of homosexuals flaunting throughout time. The Bible does not quote "flaunting," - the progression of flaunting throughout time is CLEAR. Perhaps it is not about being a Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. to see this - maybe you just have to be Heterosexual, Being homosexual and in the middle of it all - I do believe that you would not see it so clearly. Did Julius Caesar or Pontifex Maximus prance around Rome pleading for Gays Rights and acceptance by waving around rainbow flags and placing pro-bumper stickers on the backs of their chariots ? Not exactly. As homosexuality is progressing and homosexuals try to make it accepted - and yes, homosexuals do flaunt it today VS way back when, what we see today is only the start, sadly. Thus, "flaunting."

Homosexuality is both a sin against God and mankind. It runs contrary to the divine plan, purpose, and will of God who created us in His image (Genesis 1:27) and redeemed us so that this image, marred because of sin, might be renewed (Colossians 3:10). Most fundamentally, homosexuality is sin because it perverts the created order of human sexuality, the heterosexual fulfillment of both man and woman (1 Corinthians 7:2-5). In creating the first man and woman, God ultimately established the family consisting of a father, a mother, and eventually children. Society is founded on this social unit which propagates the human race. In total contrast, the lifestyle and practice of homosexual couples establish a social unit that thwarts that process and the creative purposes of God for humanity.

Clearly the Bible states homosexual practice is sin. Scriptures which denounce homosexuality are found in both the Old and New Testaments. Advocates of homosexuality often attempt to rationalize, reinterpret, and explain away key biblical truths to justify their acts. Such abuse of inspired Scripture is wrong. Along with the passages that clearly describe homosexual conduct as sin (see below), the Bible speaks repeatedly about God’s divinely ordained plan of heterosexual relationships and marriage.

Genesis 19. In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the "men" of Sodom demand to "know" the angelic visitors of Lot (v.5, KJV). Attempts to describe the request as merely a desire to get acquainted with the strangers does not fit the context. Other biblical passages link Sodom with sexual immorality and perversion (2 Peter 2:6-7; Jude 7).

Leviticus 18:22. The specific command that a man is not to "lie with a man as one lies with a woman; [for] that is detestable" is sometimes attacked by pro-homosexual scholars who argue that Christians are no longer under the Mosaic Law. But there is a sharp distinction between the dietary or ceremonial laws abolished in the New Testament (Mark 7:19; Hebrews 10:8-10) and the moral laws reinforced in the New Testament. They are still applicable today. Breaking the ceremonial laws resulted in temporary uncleanness; breaking the moral laws meant severe punishment or even death (Leviticus 11 and 24).

Romans 1:26, 27. This New Testament passage is the most pointed and clear condemnation of homosexuality (among men or women) in the Bible. "Women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. . . . Men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Some pro-homosexual scholars claim that Paul’s statements were addressed to first-century believers and thus are not applicable today. But God’s moral laws do not change.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10. God’s inclusion of homosexual conduct with other specific sexual and social sins is clear from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthian church: "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Some defenders of the homosexual lifestyle have tried to explain away the terms "male prostitutes" and "homosexual offenders" by claiming that they refer to general immoral behavior rather than homosexual practice. But such a meaning of the Greek cannot be found in first-century literature and the translation would result in needless redundancy, for Paul began his list with "the sexually immoral." The two words refer to the sins of passive and active homosexual behavior.

Some pro-homosexual advocates try to refute the biblical injunctions against homosexuality by saying the Bible speaks against promiscuity and prostitution, not against loving, committed gay relationships. Some unfaithful spouses of heterosexual marriages have tried to justify adultery on the same grounds, but nowhere does Scripture suggest that loving, committed relationships of any kind can turn sin into righteousness. God does not permit mankind to reinterpret the clear teaching of Scripture to justify personal sinful desires.

As Christians we must ask what Paul meant in Romans by calling homosexual acts unnatural (Romans 1:26, 27). Human logic tells us they are unnatural because if practiced universally, the human race would soon die out. From a social perspective they are unnatural because they are degrading to the sensitivities of the large majority of the population. (Some homosexuals claim wrongly that 10 percent of the population is homosexual. This exaggerated percentage, based on Alfred Kinsey’s faulty sexual-practices survey in 1948 and 1970, has been accurately set at between 1 and 3 percent in several recent and better documented studies).

One of the myths propounded by pro-homosexual advocates is that homosexual orientation is genetically determined and that people have no choice in the matter. There is no hard-core 100% die-hard scientific evidence to support this claim. Linking a particular behavior with a specific gene is considered highly unlikely by geneticists. Some would like to believe this myth, for it could be used to excuse all sin and evil behavior. In contrast, ministers and psychologists are treating homosexuality with success, which further discredits the genetic theory. The fact that God’s transforming power has changed the lifestyle of many homosexuals is well documented.

Finally, homosexual acts are unnatural because of their high correlation with major illnesses and terminal disease. In viewing Romans 1:27 we must ask what is the "due penalty" mentioned "for their perversion." Though AIDS is not necessarily a direct judgment from God, as innocents are sometimes the victims of the sin of others, it remains a disastrous overarching consequence of sin through the fall of man (see Genesis 3). Contrary to the claims by homosexual public relations campaigns that gays and lesbians are normal, healthy, average people, the opposite is true. Former homosexuals describe a disgusting lifestyle of perversion and sexual obsession. In a study of the median age of death for heterosexuals and homosexuals, less than 2 per cent of homosexuals survived to age 65 while married and single heterosexual men and women living past 65 ranged from 57 to 80 percent.

Clearly on every front whether it be moral, spiritual, physical, or psychological, the practice of homosexuality has proven itself devoid of any individual good or social benefit. Furthermore, the historical record shows homosexuality as detrimental to the well-being of the individual participant, the extended family, and society at large.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 12:16 AM
 
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I am going to pray for you too.

RAmen.
Thank you.
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