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As a 40-year-old hippie who started out as a little bitty hippie and sobbed at those commercials in the 70s with the Indian looking at the highway and crying...I agree with ya.
Oh my gosh! I totally forgot about those commercials! They should bring that one back...it really did make the point.
I suppose it is a little difficult to grasp for me as I see humans progress from ape-like creatures to well, whatever the heck we are today. But if we are going backwards, away from perfection, doesn't that somewhat defeat the purpose of even trying? The way you put it, it feels like we're on a backwards moving train and no stop in sight... kind of bleak and hopeless
No! Not as I see it. (But remember, I'm not a Bible person.) We went forward in technology, but we were like babies taking our first steps directly onto a highway. We didn't really foresee the effects of pollution and that sort of thing. Or the effects technology would have on our bodies--the less we physically have to do, the less fit we are. There's definitely hope. People and groups work on the environment every single day, and we're learning more about nutrition (this is probably the really tough one in our western society). There's always hope. But that's just my opinion. I think the Christian idea is that we'll keep getting worse until eventually the Rapture happens or what have you. My opinion is, yeah, we've been getting progressively worse in many ways...but we CAN change things to make them a little better, a little at a time. We have to, actually...it's our responsibility to the next generation. And to ours.
Even if you believe in God, the notion of perfection is subjective. From a Christian perspective, it may mean "sinless." From a Blackfoot perspective, it may mean "balance between the people and the buffalo."
What does it mean (to a Christian) to say "the world was perfect?" The term suggests an ideal, but if not sinless, what other ideal condition was the world in? If it is the absence of sin that is being referred to, and sin is capable only by humans, it would be mankind that was perfect, not the world.
If we expand the notion to include other objects in the cosmos, the term becomes even more ambiguous. For example, what would it mean to say the Crab Nebula is perfect?
If we use the word to describe all of creation, then it becomes meaningless. The term "perfect" is a qualifier, and as such, has meaning only if there is something imperfect to compare.
I don't know, even as a non-Christian I think there's a lot of perfect things in the world. I was able to get out of the military at the perfect time, when a job opened up at the perfect place, and I was able to find a perfect house, in a perfect location, so that my wife and I could live a marriage where we argue . Only kidding on the last part!
I think perfection is how you look at something. I take my job very seriously because everytime an airplane takes off I am responsible for everyone on board and one mistake can not only cost me my job but the lives of everyone on board. I try to do everything to perfection and double and triple check my work. You HAVE to.
Perfection is, like someone said, in the eyes of the beholder. I have made many mistakes in my life and will continue to make them, but I will do everything in my life as perfectly as possible and will try to perfect the things I am not perfect at
Location: Somewhere along the path to where I'd like to be.
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We have evidence for the universe. We have no such evidence for supernatural deities.
You likewise have no evidence that there isn't a deity. What kind of evidence would you want to prove one existed?
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. Only kidding on the last part! 
