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Thanks v. much for these! How true. I'd seen them long ago, but didn't remember where-from! Good stuff.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
You might enjoy these quotes rifleman.....
"The notion that science does not concern itself with first causes -- that it leaves the field to theology or metaphysics, and confines itself to mere effects -- this notion has no support in the plain facts. If it could, science would explain the origin of life on earth at once -- and there is every reason to believe that it will do so on some not too remote tomorrow. To argue that gaps in knowledge which will confront the seeker must be filled, not by patient inquiry, but by intuition or revelation, is simply to give ignorance a gratuitous and preposterous dignity."
-- H L Mencken (1930)
"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
-- H L Mencken
It is fascinating to me how Christians in particular come down so hard on scientific inquiry, and on those who carefully practice it. They also despise honestquestioning and reasonabledoubt even when the subject topic is patently implausible.
I'd love for these nay-sayers to have to take an enforced course on The Scientific Method, with a thoughtful analysis of each necessary component, which taken together pretty much guarantees a minimum of fakery and deceit. The rigors and vigors currently applied to research design and interpretation are more stringent every year. To try to discredit b y insult or lies, for instance, some Nobel Prize winner's conclusions about Evolution or genetics simply because those facts completely discredit another literal biblical fantasy is, well.... delusional.
And yet they do persist. It's probably because the Christian apologist websites hope the average faithful reader will simply take their word for it, and will reliably parrot their purposeful lies.
Hence we have those fallacious "proofs" of God's existence. Witness the "How can you interpret these glorious Godly achievements any other way?" Are they really, honestly asking that question? Are they really prepared for alternate answers?
Amazing! You claim to "break down" your post by making a statement that was not even in the original post, and break it down to your own satisfaction as opposed to truth.
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But then I could make up my own religion that would thrive under the removal of "scientific ignorance".
Again, not what your original post said. Being disingenuous doesn't help your case.
Well the major religions of today would, but I could think up a number of religions that would thrive under the removal of scientific ignorance from the general public.
By 'scientific ignorance' you are saying 'educate the public', and education is the greatest enemy that religion faces. Ignorance and fear is the petri dish of religion.
is a pretty persistent fallacious argument. It's mind - numbingly persistent. And it's not a logical fallacy as if there were any they'd not be false, but there really aren't and the fallacy is in pretending that they are.
is a pretty persistent fallacious argument. It's mind - numbingly persistent. And it's not a logical fallacy as if there were any they'd not be false, but there really aren't and the fallacy is in pretending that they are.
I've even had one dude tell me that there are letters written by Pilate to his friend Seneca that prove Jesus existed.
Either you prove my belief wrong (to their own impossible standards of course) or you have proven me correct.
Continuing faulty thought process.
Maybe to a theist who 's foundation isn't established enough in their own minds to speak or reason in a coherent manner . The only real "either or " in regards to man's thoughts is "is their an origin to them or not ? "
We employ a base ten number system for innate reasons no matter how the story is retold. We have zero and infinity , we have one . We also have a History of Isopsephia (Gematria) which is a naturally occurring form of encryption for humans to play with. YHVH in the standard numerical value is 26 Echad which is one in Hebrew has a value of 13. 2 x13 = 26 The Phrase YHVH Echad adds up to 39. There are 39 books in the Old Testament. Revelation opens up the world of Gematria to the believer. The whole of the Bible as well as a host of other writings such as the Greek myths have all kinds of naturally occurring numerical encryptions . Studying them leads to discovery including ones involving the physical sciences. It is the role of philosophy to be an impetus for the study of creation.
The Shema is a formula and to argue whether it is true is to not have installed it into ones own mind and ran it . It is as real as any software application . You either employ it or you don't.
ד שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד. 4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
ה וְאָהַבְתָּ, אֵת יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, בְּכָל-לְבָבְךָ וּבְכָל-נַפְשְׁךָ, וּבְכָל-מְאֹדֶךָ. 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ו וְהָיוּ הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוְּךָ הַיּוֹם--עַל-לְבָבֶךָ. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be upon thy heart;
ז וְשִׁנַּנְתָּם לְבָנֶיךָ, וְדִבַּרְתָּ בָּם, בְּשִׁבְתְּךָ בְּבֵיתֶךָ וּבְלֶכְתְּךָ בַדֶּרֶךְ, וּבְשָׁכְבְּךָ וּבְקוּמֶךָ. 7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
ח וּקְשַׁרְתָּם לְאוֹת, עַל-יָדֶךָ; וְהָיוּ לְטֹטָפֹת, בֵּין עֵינֶיךָ. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes.
ט וּכְתַבְתָּם עַל-מְזֻזוֹת בֵּיתֶךָ, וּבִשְׁעָרֶיךָ. {ס} 9 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates. {S}
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