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Old 05-13-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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Too quick to abandon logic. When talking to others about our faith, we Christians too often resort to a language and line of reasoning that leaves good ol' fashion logic sitting on the ground behind us, waving a sad good-bye. "It's true because the Bible says it's true" is, for instance, an assertion that can't help but leave the non-Christian unimpressed, since it's so manifestly illogical. "It's true because the Bible says it's true" is no more proof of truth than is, "Apples are the best of the fruits, because I think that's true." Christians need to more readily admit that the religious experience -- no matter how riveting and real it is to the person experiencing it -- remains a subjective phenomenon, and talk about it that way.
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Too fixated on homosexuality. Can we Christians stop already with the gay and lesbian fixation? I know many of us understand our stance on the matter to be unassailably Biblical. I know a great many of us are deeply concerned about the "homosexual agenda." I know. We all know. Maybe Christians could just give that issue a rest for a while. It's not like gay and lesbian people are going anywhere. They'll all be there when we get back. Maybe -- for just a week, a day, a month -- we could concern ourselves with something else, and let them be.
John Shore: Ten Ways Christians Tend to Fail at Being Christian
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Old 05-13-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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Thanks for the link.

I recently read a book along these lines - Amazon.com: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism (9780393329766): Michelle Goldberg: Books.

Quite the eye-opener.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:03 PM
 
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A decidely liberal view of Christianity from a decidely liberal publication. I, for one, am not surprised. Perhaps the author can live by example and spare us his "opinion" of how Christians ought to live, and focus instead on his own relationship with God. This piece was nothing but bait for the anti-religious. I expect nothing less from Huffington Post.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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I think there aren't ten, but only one way where most Christians fail. This was a part of sermon at my church a few months ago (so, no link). But it emphasized on three principles Christians should live by. The message was that the first two are easy and virtually every Christian follows them. It is the third that most find difficult, if not impossible. That is, to be like Christ (to act like him).

In one of the following weeks, I attended a mega church in my neighborhood, run by a popular pastor (Ed Young), surrounded by controversy, clarifying that the charges against him are blatant lies including one that he has a 10,000 sq ft home, when he has smaller home that has only 7800 sq ft of air conditioned space. Never mind a beautiful lakefront. Most people still think of him as a Christian, and support him. After all, what else would Jesus do, if not use chartered planes at Church's expense (if not own one, as another of the controversies is about).

A chartered plane gets you closer to God and His, than a donkey would, after all. As AeroGuyDC, and his decidedly "conservative" view of Christianity would definitely confirm.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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I think there aren't ten, but only one way where most Christians fail. This was a part of sermon at my church a few months ago (so, no link). But it emphasized on three principles Christians should live by. The message was that the first two are easy and virtually every Christian follows them. It is the third that most find difficult, if not impossible. That is, to be like Christ (to act like him).

In one of the following weeks, I attended a mega church in my neighborhood, run by a popular pastor (Ed Young), surrounded by controversy, clarifying that the charges against him are blatant lies including one that he has a 10,000 sq ft home, when he has smaller home that has only 7800 sq ft of air conditioned space. Never mind a beautiful lakefront. Most people still think of him as a Christian, and support him. After all, what else would Jesus do, if not use chartered planes at Church's expense (if not own one, as another of the controversies is about).

A chartered plane gets you closer to God and His, than a donkey would, after all. As AeroGuyDC, and his decidedly "conservative" view of Christianity would definitely confirm.
You've got some explaining to do. How on Earth did you equate my conservative views to that of a megachurch pastor with a big house and who frequently uses charter aircraft? How does the individual you mentioned, of whom I have never even heard of, equate to my belief in Jesus Christ?

I don't think you have an answer.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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It applies to some Christians. Not all.

5-6 and 10 are too rampant among Christians for sure.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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You've got some explaining to do. How on Earth did you equate my conservative views to that of a megachurch pastor with a big house and who frequently uses charter aircraft? How does the individual you mentioned, of whom I have never even heard of, equate to my belief in Jesus Christ?

I don't think you have an answer.
Using the same logic you used to dismiss the subject matter of the article. At least I know for sure that the same pastor has strong support of a very "conservative" congregation.

PS. Also note that I'm picky about using conservative as a word. Sometimes you will see it between quotes, at other times, you may not.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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I think there aren't ten, but only one way where most Christians fail. This was a part of sermon at my church a few months ago (so, no link). But it emphasized on three principles Christians should live by. The message was that the first two are easy and virtually every Christian follows them. It is the third that most find difficult, if not impossible. That is, to be like Christ (to act like him).

In one of the following weeks, I attended a mega church in my neighborhood, run by a popular pastor (Ed Young), surrounded by controversy, clarifying that the charges against him are blatant lies including one that he has a 10,000 sq ft home, when he has smaller home that has only 7800 sq ft of air conditioned space. Never mind a beautiful lakefront. Most people still think of him as a Christian, and support him. After all, what else would Jesus do, if not use chartered planes at Church's expense (if not own one, as another of the controversies is about).

A chartered plane gets you closer to God and His, than a donkey would, after all. As AeroGuyDC, and his decidedly "conservative" view of Christianity would definitely confirm.
Mega churches are a joke. They are basically cultish arenas for guilt laden people to go and pretend to repent.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:24 PM
 
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Mega churches are a joke. They are basically cultish arenas for guilt laden people to go and pretend to repent.
Yet, people keep buying what arses like Peter Popov sell, even after they've been exposed as frauds in front of everyone. I'll bet Ted Haggard still has people following him. Sheep following millionaire, false prophet, philandering hypocrites.
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Old 05-13-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Using the same logic you used to dismiss the subject matter of the article. At least I know for sure that the same pastor has strong support of a very "conservative" congregation.

PS. Also note that I'm picky about using conservative as a word. Sometimes you will see it between quotes, at other times, you may not.
The article has some merit. But the entire premise is set upon the notion that Christians should live and let live, which is counter to many Christian ideals. God did not call upon his children to sit idly by while the world zooms past in sinister fashion. Christians are called to spread the word, which is a concept that is obviously lost upon this "Christian" author. According to him, Christians should shut up, study up, and butt out of everone's business. Which is precisely why I said that it was a "decidedly liberal" view of Christianity. It fits quite well with the "free-love for all, no matter the cost, no matter the consequence" philosophy encompassed by liberal ideology.
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