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It is energy. Is is electrochemical energy produced by the neurons. When the brain "dies" it is because it is no longer producing or transmitting the electrically charged chemicals necessary to trigger and produce thoughts, feelings, and emotions.
When the neuron dies for lack of oxygen, it cannot produce the chemical needed to trigger the neurons next to it. When that happens, the brain stops thinking, reacting, or feeling. It dies.
OK I concede (sarcasm), when you die, it's nothing. The soul dies, none of the brains energy will transfer into another realm. Just bleak darness, non existence. That's great. What an enlightened point of view
OK I concede (sarcasm), when you die, it's nothing. The soul dies, none of the brains energy will transfer into another realm. Just bleak darness, non existence. That's great. What an enlightened point of view
It's not bleak darkness. It's nothing.
You know how existence was before you were conceived?
Like that.
Why is such a realization not enlightened, in your view?
Alternatively, what is "enlightened" about believing something happens for which there is no supporting evidence?
You know how existence was before you were conceived?
Like that.
Why is such a realization not enlightened, in your view?
Alternatively, what is "enlightened" about believing something happens for which there is no supporting evidence?
But how do you know when you can not remember? Do you remember before you were conceived? I don't remember what I did on this date 35 years ago, but I can tell you that I was somewhere doing something. Just like before I was conceived, my soul/spirit/essence was somewhere before it joined with my body, so if it had to come from somewhere then it has to go somewhere when I die in this life. The old ad-edge of you can't make something out of nothing.
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Originally Posted by scarmig
It's not bleak darkness. It's nothing.
You know how existence was before you were conceived?
Like that.
Why is such a realization not enlightened, in your view?
Alternatively, what is "enlightened" about believing something happens for which there is no supporting evidence?
Likewise you have no supporting evidence that after death, it's Nothing. Nothing is rather cynical. How can conciousness only be limited to the brain within a short time here on earth? You are only elaborating on energy within physical form which is very limited, just like our time here on earth. Your point of view is very closed off to any other possibilities.
But how do you know when you can not remember? Do you remember before you were conceived?
The reason you cannot remember befor you were conceived is because memory is a function of the brain, and before the first trimester you didn't have one.
That's the point.
There is no memory without your brain, there is no consciousness without your brain, there is no awareness without your brain and the senses to send it input.
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Just like before I was conceived, my soul/spirit/essence was somewhere before it joined with my body, so if it had to come from somewhere then it has to go somewhere when I die in this life. The old ad-edge of you can't make something out of nothing.
Your body uses fuel. It converts fuel to energy. The energy is used by your brain to work. The energy returns to matter in the form of heat and waste products.
When your body can no longer convert fuel to energy, the cycle stops, and your energy returns to the inert state of matter.
Likewise you have no supporting evidence that after death, it's Nothing. Nothing is rather cynical.
It's not cynical, it's realistic. You can't be aware without a brain, as evidenced by your lack of awareness either before you had a brain, or when your brain is not functioning (in the case of people in a coma). Since you can't be aware without a brain, it stands to reason that when your brain dies, "you" will cease to be aware again. I put you in quotes because there won't actually be a "you" to be aware that you are not aware, but this is a failing of the human need to put spatial boundaries on concepts.
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It's not cynical, it's realistic. You can't be aware without a brain, as evidenced by your lack of awareness either before you had a brain, or when your brain is not functioning (in the case of people in a coma). Since you can't be aware without a brain, it stands to reason that when your brain dies, "you" will cease to be aware again. I put you in quotes because there won't actually be a "you" to be aware that you are not aware, but this is a failing of the human need to put spatial boundaries on concepts.
We could go around in circles about this, but you don't have any substantial supporting evidence that your conciousness is limited to the brain, nor do you have any concrete proof that it is realistic. Your evidence is just as vague as mine, as nobody could prove in concrete form until we actually pass. How would you know what state of counciousness one has in a coma? Perhaps a subconcious realm, or an unearthly realm of energy. You don't know. Nor do you grasp the concept that much of the energy in the universe is unseen, with humans limited 3 dimensional physical form it would be hard to grasp, but it certainly does not disprove its existence. I would say it would be unlikely that conciousness (thoughts, experiences, knowledge, your soul) DIES, as I believe that would contradict the laws of physics. Do I have proof? No, but neither do you, that's just my belief. So for you to believe that it's NOTHING, yeah that would be cynical.
I believe every person will spend eternity in Heaven or Hell, depending on acceptance or rejection of Jesus.
I don't know & the Bible is not completely clear about young children and the mentally retarded. However, there is enough Scriptural evidence to believe these will be safe in the arms of Jesus.
As far as those who've never heard of Jesus, the Bible indicates they have been given sufficient evidence to know God exists & to respond accordingly.
So if I live on a remote island and I never hear of any of this evidence then what happens?
The Bible says: "since the creation of the world His (God's) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made", i.e. nature.
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