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In further polls Gallup indicates 65% of people who attend church weekly do believe God created Man, in his present form, in the last 10,000 years. This is true even of those who are college graduates, although among weekly attenders with post-grad education the percent believing in "present form, 10,000 years ago" drops to 44%.
So maybe allenk had more basis than I thought in his statements on Christians, but then again maybe not as American Christians are somewhat unusual. (The Philippines, as I recall, is intensely Christian yet not so opposed to evolution. Although it's more Catholic, Anglican, and Methodist or forms of those)
With the exception of former creationists turned reality seekers like Michael Shermer, there is nothing that would convince a creationist evolution is true.
With the exception of former creationists turned reality seekers like Michael Shermer, there is nothing that would convince a creationist evolution is true.
People have a hard time saying they were wrong. It is usual those who are truthful to themselves that will make the step, but not immediately, usual over a long period of time..
Every time a creationist refuses to answer this question, or see a creationist argument debunked, it will just be another chip at the dogma, that his holding their beliefs in stone. Of course, some people have these case in an undiscovered, extremely strong rare element, or compound.
Nothing could convince them. There could be indisputable evidence right in front of their face for them to personally verify. And yet they would claim it as false and a trick of satan. Anything that defies their ingrained beleifs, no matter if it is true or not, is from the devil by default. It's a classic defense mechanism.
Nothing could convince them. There could be indisputable evidence right in front of their face for them to personally verify. And yet they would claim it as false and a trick of satan. Anything that defies their ingrained beleifs, no matter if it is true or not, is from the devil by default. It's a classic defense mechanism.
This sounds exactly like, if someone asked an atheist what it would take to believe in God, and if there was indisputable proof right in front of their face, they would say it was their mind playing tricks on him / her. Funny how people are so similar with such differing beliefs.
I do believe that God created the Earth. I think if Darwin actually knew how complex a cell was, he might have rethought his theory. I have taken college level science classes so I do know a little. However, I do think he was right about things evolving over time. There are different traits and characteristics from say a Eskimo, a African, and a European. Plants, animals, and people adapt to their surroundings.
I do not believe that everything on this Earth started from the same thing. That in my mind is a harder pill to swallow than someone creating the Earth. Even Dawkins says he doesn't know for sure, and that aliens could have started life on Earth.
Truth is nobody knows for sure, and honestly no one will ever be 100% sure. I guess it would take for me seeing or someone actually document a planet that was formed, and then life in all its complexities like Earth started from absolutely nothing. Then I would have to believe.
This sounds exactly like, if someone asked an atheist what it would take to believe in God, and if there was indisputable proof right in front of their face, they would say it was their mind playing tricks on him / her. Funny how people are so similar with such differing beliefs.
I don't think that is true at all. There is a huge difference between accepting something that has tons of evidence and proof, (evolution) and something that has no evidence at all (Gods). I think most atheists would accept God as real, all he needs to do is prove himself, the way he is said to have done thousands of years ago...He has not shown himself since. Why do you suppose that is?...Since there is no proof of the existence of God, yours or anyone elses, I will continue to be skeptical.
I don't think that is true at all. There is a huge difference between accepting something that has tons of evidence and proof, (evolution) and something that has no evidence at all (Gods). I think most atheists would accept God as real, all he needs to do is prove himself, the way he is said to have done thousands of years ago...He has not shown himself since. Why do you suppose that is?...Since there is no proof of the existence of God, yours or anyone elses, I will continue to be skeptical.
I do respect your reasoning. I asked that question a while back ( i have been away from CD for a while now ) on this forum and some atheists said that even if God spoke to them directly that they don't know if that would be enough because it could have been a hallucination or something to that effect.
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I don't have a problem with the age of the Earth. Yes, it is very old. No one truly knows the actual age and we probably never will. I don't think God's day runs on the same 24hr cycle as ours does. Of course since I am a believer, I don't agree with Darwin that we all came from the same thing. And as I said before, if he had the information that we do now, I would bet he wouldn't think so either. The cell is just so complex. As I said in a previous post, that everything evolves and changes over time. So to a certain extent yes I do believe in evolution.
I don't think there is as big of a division between religion and science as some may think. They can go hand in hand, but you have to keep a open mind to both.
I think Darwin would be thrilled with the discoveries made since his demise...Everything we find confirms his theory. The discovery of DNA alone and the fact that every living thing shares DNA is strong evidence that all life, plants, animals and even bacteria have a common ancestor.
This is a baiting question, looking for an argument. If you consider the group you are questioning, you know that theirs is a faith-based religion. They are conditioned by their religion to look past what is known empirically, to accept what cannot be known that way.
Rather than argue to try to get someone to come to your beliefs, why not practice tolerance of another's differences. In the end, it doesn't matter what others believe. It is your beliefs you must come to terms with.
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However, I do think he was right about things evolving over time. There are different traits and characteristics from say a Eskimo, a African, and a European. Plants, animals, and people adapt to their surroundings. 
