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I don't know the guy at all, other than from this thread. What has he or hasn't he done? I wonder if he's considered following my advice of moving to an area with a low cost of living and a decent employment market.
You could offer him a million dollars and he's find an excuse not to have the time, ability, education, riches, housing, rich relatives, rich landlords, rich spouse, not enough education, too much education, a crappy room, and that you have a hidden motive..hence, it JUST WOULD'T WORK!!
QUOTE=Bhaalspawn;43398284]I have no idea, but I could speculate. Is it possible that there's an oversupply of college graduates in his field and/or that his degree has "gone stale"? That is to say, if you've been underemployed-involuntarily-out-of-field for a certain amount of time, employers in that field will simply not consider you for employment, regardless of your actual ability. His degree might also be in a non-marketable field (art history, etc.). In that case, the value of his degree is simply the signaling value that he was able to attain a college degree, which is essentially a certification that he possesses a base level of intelligence, ambition, and responsibility. Our nation has been producing large oversupplies of college graduates for decades; it's nothing new.
Well it sounds like a personal problem now doesn't it? Hey at one time I busted my azz for $5 a hour. Decided I didn't want to break my back working for peanuts. So I did something about it. Now I didn't finish college so I'm not as smartified as some, but for a guy who doesn't seem high speed low drag, I'm doing pretty good. In fact probably better than a lot of people. If what you're doing isn't working its time to look and see what else you can do that IS working. I mean you got a degree. It's not making you money. So with all that brain power your end career is a burger flipper? You couldn't go retrain to do something else in 30 YEARS? Hey I had stuff go bad in my life too. I didn't sit there blaming everyone as to why it happened. It happened. I got up moved on.
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The issue is, what base income / purchasing power should someone who works a solid 40 hours a week have? It seems to me that, in the absence of children or any other sort of rent on your income, it should be lower middle class or what might be regarded as working class. The tough issue for free market dogmatists is dealing with the question of whether the top 1% at the top that owns all the capital has actually, truly earned the money they are extracting as profit from the working classes. After all, it could be argued that a guy who inherited money and lounges around on a yacht all day isn't really working and hasn't actually produced or earned any wealth
I don't know. You tell me. Working 40 hours a week doesn't mean crap. It's how much you make working that 40 hours a week. I can do one consulting job or repair in one day and bill out more than some make all week. But I like working and doing things.
Hold on a sec pal. You're telling me that someone who took a chance and invested money in a business or vestment in the market etc, didn't truly earn the money he makes? They took a chance. No different than someone getting a degree in art history. They invested the money and time to get that degree. In some cases it didn't pan out. No different than investing. Sometimes it doesn't pan out and you lose your azz on a investment. Maybe go broke. Or hit it big.
And someone who inherited money? So what difference does it make? Maybe he invests it right. By his investing in a company helps it start growing more and maybe hires a few employees . That just created jobs.
I have rentals. I use people all the time to do repairs, I pay more income taxes than some people make all year. If I mismanage my investment the only one that loses is my family. I don't get a bailout from the government or get to apply for unemployment. But do you see me whining about it?
Um, are you aware that employers want you to work on THEIR schedule? If I don't have a way to get to or from a swing/grave job, what use is it? Having a lot of 4-6 hour blocks of time available does not make happy an employer who wants someone for a full 8 hours.;
Well it sounds like a personal problem now doesn't it? Hey at one time I busted my azz for $5 a hour. Decided I didn't want to break my back working for peanuts. So I did something about it. Now I didn't finish college so I'm not as smartified as some, but for a guy who doesn't seem high speed low drag, I'm doing pretty good. In fact probably better than a lot of people. If what you're doing isn't working its time to look and see what else you can do that IS working. I mean you got a degree. It's not making you money. So with all that brain power your end career is a burger flipper? You couldn't go retrain to do something else in 30 YEARS? Hey I had stuff go bad in my life too. I didn't sit there blaming everyone as to why it happened. It happened. I got up moved on.
I don't know. You tell me. Working 40 hours a week doesn't mean crap. It's how much you make working that 40 hours a week. I can do one consulting job or repair in one day and bill out more than some make all week. But I like working and doing things.
Hold on a sec pal. You're telling me that someone who took a chance and invested money in a business or vestment in the market etc, didn't truly earn the money he makes? They took a chance. No different than someone getting a degree in art history. They invested the money and time to get that degree. In some cases it didn't pan out. No different than investing. Sometimes it doesn't pan out and you lose your azz on a investment. Maybe go broke. Or hit it big.
And someone who inherited money? So what difference does it make? Maybe he invests it right. By his investing in a company helps it start growing more and maybe hires a few employees . That just created jobs.
I have rentals. I use people all the time to do repairs, I pay more income taxes than some people make all year. If I mismanage my investment the only one that loses is my family. I don't get a bailout from the government or get to apply for unemployment. But do you see me whining about it?
there is always a way for those who are creative and have the desire to succeed .
most of the whining you hear on these forums is not because of the fed or gov't policy but self inflicted .
my own career path changed course many times in my life as i attempted to go where others were not .
i assume you are an electrician so you can appreciate this :
i started life as a pro drummer -went to hvac tech - from there i turned in to a mall climate control trouble shooter - left the hvac business totally to become a motor control specialist designing pumping and control panels for factory automation and the various municipal water pumping stations and sewage treatment plants where i just retired from after a pretty good 40 year run .
everything i learned after the initial trade school back in the 1970's was learned on the job or by taking advantage of the factory schools i could go to as a distributor for various products .
allen bradley as an example ran an amazing set of classes on controls , vfd's and plc's at the factory ,all free through work. other manufacturers offer similar free schooling , siemens , turck , ge and square d all run top notch free training if you go through your company as a distributor .
but most of the time you have to push the company to let you go . if you don't make it happen odds are it won't and you will not get to go .
there is loads of opportunity out there but you need to be creative, motivated and go where others are not .
i can tell you right off the bat in the wholesale electrical supply business most of the sales people come from lighting ,or wire and pipe slinging backgrounds and lack knowledge in motor controls , drives and plc's .
company's are dying for sales people , both inside and outside that know these products .
you can just about write your own pay check if you know this stuff .
i am retired and at least a few times a month i get calls from competitors all over trying to get me to work for them even part time .
the demand is so high for people who know this stuff that company's are pirating people left and right at high salary's . i got a call from someone at wesco (westinghouse ) who is a competitor who told me the regional manager wanted him to call me and tell me to come in and talk and write my own paycheck if i was interested in coming on board . it is just insane out there once you do your homework and know where the opportunity is .
if i was starting from scratch today i would learn the industrial PLC area . plc's are programmable logic controllers and are the brains behind factory automation equipment and energy mgmt systems . i see big demand today for folks who can design and program these systems especially allen bradley and siemens gear .
there is opportunity today in other industry's too but you need to do your homework to find them .
you need to talk to people in different industry's and see what positions are selling in their industry and then head off in to entering that industry with a plan in mind for achieving that goal of eventually being in that area of expertise . if once at the company you allow yourself to float like a cork in water with no end game in the plan and just float to wherever the company puts you , you will go no where .
there are always those who can figure out on their own how to make this happen and others who don't . those who don't then complain about their low paying job , lack of advancement and blame politics , the fed and those around them .
others in different industry's who have been successful at what they do can tell you similar story's .
this is why you want to surround yourself with successful people where you can . the doom and gloomers and those who failed financially and just complain are not going to help you much when it comes to succeeding in life
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If you want to live in a trendy, sexy area that tons of other people want to live in, high rents are the price you pay. Otherwise search for areas with better wage / cost of living ratios.
I would never want to live there, in fact, i would pay more to avoid all of that. I do not pay rent, if I did, I could pay any rent I chose.
Um, are you aware that employers want you to work on THEIR schedule? If I don't have a way to get to or from a swing/grave job, what use is it? Having a lot of 4-6 hour blocks of time available does not make happy an employer who wants someone for a full 8 hours.;
You say it's a "lot". How often is "a lot"? Two times a week? Once a month? If it's that often, then you qualify for disability. If not, then you can work more hours.
Um, are you aware that employers want you to work on THEIR schedule? If I don't have a way to get to or from a swing/grave job, what use is it? Having a lot of 4-6 hour blocks of time available does not make happy an employer who wants someone for a full 8 hours.;
When I was a Single Welfare mom I got fed up cause jobs were not available in my area. I had no education nor skill to offer an employer. I have my mom Adopt my son age 6 years old & got off my butt lost 70# in 6 weeks & Went Back in the Army! Sure I missed my son But I at least knew he was being cared for & I sent money to my mom every pay. When I got out I Paid for Job Training. Held the Same job for 15 Years! & contuned to send mom money for my sons care...got to see him more also Sorry cant handle people that keep making excuses.
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Sorry cant handle people that keep making excuses.
