31% Of Americans Have No Retirement Savings At All (darling, small, England)
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As well they should. But Congress is getting back far more in many cases than was lent; every month a 20% fee is added when I make a payment. I've paid more in added student loan fees than the principal I borrowed.
You're paying a 20% fee each time you make a payment? You should stop making monthly payments for 5 months, then you will have enough to pay your loans in full.
You're paying a 20% fee each time you make a payment? You should stop making monthly payments for 5 months, then you will have enough to pay your loans in full.
Can't stop, the payment is made automatically it's a gar(n)ishment.
What are you alluding to..that we give away all the money we saved for retirement ?
Not at all. I haven't said Word One about isolated, individual action. The problems are far bigger than that.
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You pontificate (yeah I can use the big words too) but never really say anything.
You dodge, weave and evade, but never really justify the self-centered claptrap that you advocate.
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Because it always boils down to money.
When it should boil down to people, to human beings.
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Moral of the story? Sh*t happens, and don't think for a minute it can't happen to you.
Yes, but by rights people should be mature and caring enough to not have to think that it could happen to them to be inclined toward regarding with dignity those to whom it does happen.
When I retired in 1997, we didn't have too much in our bank account, just enough to buy our plane tickets to leave the U.S.!
After getting rid of everything we owned in Northern California, we moved in 1998 and lived overseas in the Philippines! After 11 yrs I finally started collecting my other pensions and we now have money in our bank accounts and our home here in the Philippines is paid off!
Our retirement lifestyle now is a lot better after 17 years of living here! It was a hard road to travel, but we made it!
I see bankruptcy as a legal tool for people to get a fresh start, whether the reasons for their bankruptcy are their own fault or not is really immaterial. I don't try to pass moral judgment on the filer.
Sometimes people have to file bankruptcy through no fault of their own, others just get really stupid, but as long as one learns one's lesson and improves their behavior, why scarlet letter them?
Good point and I hope I did not seem like I scarlet lettered anyone. I am totally not in moral judgement just financial judgement I wish all the best of luck in learning, improving and moving on. Maybe I should have mentioned this guy was 60 yo and had not learned a ting that I could see in his years of financial goings-on.
My question is, how many of that 31% did have retirement savings before the crash of 2008 gutted it? (assuming that "savings" encompasses any type of product: savings account, IRA, 401K, pension plan) How many of that 31% lost their jobs during the worst of the recession and have not been able to replace that level of income, thus having to draw on and erode their original retirement savings either mostly or completely?
What I'd like to see is what percentage of that 31% did have retirement savings AT ONE TIME but through factors other than irresponsible spending they no longer do. Versus what percentage of the 31% never bothered to address their retirement income needs at all.
if they didn't withdrew whatever was left especially if it was left in equity account, their savings would have recovered by now
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I wish all the best of luck in learning, improving and moving on. Maybe I should have mentioned this guy was 60 yo and had not learned a ting that I could see in his years of financial goings-on.
