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I believe Fauci & Birks are 100% correct regarding "stop the virus".
But they are leading us down a path that may have serious negative consequences that they do not necessarily understand or appreciate. They have a singular focus, geared to their enormous expertise, and that's "stop the virus" at any expense.
What if two years from now, the economy remains trashed. Jobs, stock markets, businesses, goals, dreams, are ruined due to the Great Shutdown?
And at the same time, all of the old people that we "saved" are probably dead in two years anyway. Because they are OLD and have very serious, known health problems.
Was it worth it then? It's too early to say. History will decide.
I agree but of course we automatically get called old people killers by those kneejerkers that see no gray. Want to immediately back everyone in a black or white corner. Personally I think we'll find that a more moderated approach to death now would have decreased immense suffering in the (later) now. 36,000 deaths worldwide.
For perspective: Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. That means, on average, auto accidents cause 3,287 deaths per day. An additional 20-50 million people are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.Oct 17, 2019
I'm not saying lets do our best to contain. But some consideration for the economy, people needing to work has to be taken.
I agree but of course we automatically get called old people killers by those kneejerkers that see no gray. Want to immediately back everyone in a black or white corner. Personally I think we'll find that a more moderated approach to death now would have decreased immense suffering in the (later) now. 36,000 deaths worldwide.
For perspective: Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. That means, on average, auto accidents cause 3,287 deaths per day. An additional 20-50 million people are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.Oct 17, 2019
I'm not saying lets do our best to contain. But some consideration for the economy, people needing to work has to be taken.
But is it just a matter of put everybody back to work and the deaths will be mainly elderly and health compromised people and everything will be OK?
Putting everyone back out there together is going to spread this like wildfire. And it is killing the younger and healthy as well; just not at the same rate. How good would that be for the economy?
I’m sure all of “you” young people would not want a precedent to be set. That is, once you hit 65 and can finally relax and enjoy a few peaceful fruits of your labors you will be expected to self isolate and undergo a frightening and painful death. Smh.
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Or let it keep going, hope that it just mainly affects the elderly and health compromised people, and everything will be fine for those who are left standing. No matter how long it takes to accomplish this and what the body count would be.
Sure, that's the ticket. Just forgo any attempts at mitigation or prevention, let everybody get it and let the chips (bodies) fall where they may. It'll all be over in a few months.
All of the kids can get Summer jobs as gravediggers, the SSA budget will be relieved and unemployment levels will drop to record lows.
How long will it take to bury 10,000,000 or so bodies? Work fast kids, weather's getting warmer and things will start to stink fairly quickly.
I believe Fauci & Birks are 100% correct regarding "stop the virus".
But they are leading us down a path that may have serious negative consequences that they do not necessarily understand or appreciate. They have a singular focus, geared to their enormous expertise, and that's "stop the virus" at any expense.
What if two years from now, the economy remains trashed. Jobs, stock markets, businesses, goals, dreams, are ruined due to the Great Shutdown?
And at the same time, all of the old people that we "saved" are probably dead in two years anyway. Because they are OLD and have very serious, known health problems.
Was it worth it then? It's too early to say. History will decide.
Because their job isn’t in economics. Their job is epidemiology.
As far as the age/worth saving comment...let’s start with the people in every family who thinks old people are a waste of effort to save. Any takers? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler? I didn’t think so.
This is the cards we are dealt. You can make the best of it or blame old people and experts
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I believe Fauci & Birks are 100% correct regarding "stop the virus".
But they are leading us down a path that may have serious negative consequences that they do not necessarily understand or appreciate. They have a singular focus, geared to their enormous expertise, and that's "stop the virus" at any expense.
What if two years from now, the economy remains trashed. Jobs, stock markets, businesses, goals, dreams, are ruined due to the Great Shutdown?
And at the same time, all of the old people that we "saved" are probably dead in two years anyway. Because they are OLD and have very serious, known health problems.
Was it worth it then? It's too early to say. History will decide.
How much economy will we have left after the healthcare system crashes?
I was talking to a friend of mine last night and she was telling me about her 20 yo son who is in the military and he got very sick one night in January before this was officially here, and we don’t know if he had it but that’s not the point of what I’m saying.
The point is that this very young, very healthy, and very trim young man who has no history of asthma, had to go to the ER because he couldn’t catch his breath and was coughing really hard. It’s one thing to think of “old people” as expendable because they’re not contributing to the economy but what if my friend’s son got sick with covid and had to go to the hospital with a bunch of other people all getting sick at the same time? I believe that he would’ve had a poorer outcome. What will it do to the economy if many young healthy people end up disabled due to scarring of their lung tissue? And again, what will it do the economy if we crash the hospital system?
And then we have to ask ourselves if we want what we had before anyway. A lot of people were barely able to make ends meet and couldn’t even afford to live in a tiny apartment. And our healthcare system was already broken anyway. We have a chance to make things better, though I think we should get rid of the entire bunch of parasites in Washington who are feeding off the underbelly of the American people.
I agree but of course we automatically get called old people killers by those kneejerkers that see no gray. Want to immediately back everyone in a black or white corner. Personally I think we'll find that a more moderated approach to death now would have decreased immense suffering in the (later) now. 36,000 deaths worldwide.
For perspective: Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year. That means, on average, auto accidents cause 3,287 deaths per day. An additional 20-50 million people are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.Oct 17, 2019
I'm not saying lets do our best to contain. But some consideration for the economy, people needing to work has to be taken.
you realize this post is generally about you, right?
And at the same time, all of the old people that we "saved" are probably dead in two years anyway. Because they are OLD and have very serious, known health problems.
This is nonsense. The mortality rate starts rising significantly for this disease in people age 50. Do you think of 50 year olds as old? How about 60 year olds? Because people in those age ranges are dying in significant numbers.
And "pre-existing conditions" doesn't mean "very serious, known health problems." Mild asthma, mild hypertension, well-controlled diabetes - many people with these risk factors have decades to live if their paths don't cross COVID-19's.
I have two known health problems which increase my risk for COVID-19, and I am 57 years old. I also work full-time, am physically active, and based on my family history (with both parents and grandparents with exactly the same health conditions) if I manage not to catch COVID-19 I can expect to live another 25-30 years (and not in a nursing home).
This disease is serious for a lot of people the average person doesn't think of as either old or sickly and frail. About 1 out of 3 Americans has a pre-existing condition that puts them at increased risk of death if they catch COVID-19, and not all of those people can self-quarantine. Some (like me) work essential jobs. The average age of a physician in the US is 51, and 30% are over the age of 60. The average age of an RN is 50. Do you REALLY want half the medical workforce to self-quarantine? I don't think so!
We NEED those many of "old, sickly" people to stay productive in the workforce - and many of them won't if they feel they are being thrown to the wolves. That has its own economic cost.
This is nonsense. The mortality rate starts rising significantly for this disease in people age 50. Do you think of 50 year olds as old? How about 60 year olds? Because people in those age ranges are dying in significant numbers.
And "pre-existing conditions" doesn't mean "very serious, known health problems." Mild asthma, mild hypertension, well-controlled diabetes - many people with these risk factors have decades to live if their paths don't cross COVID-19's.
I have two known health problems which increase my risk for COVID-19, and I am 57 years old. I also work full-time, am physically active, and based on my family history (with both parents and grandparents with exactly the same health conditions) if I manage not to catch COVID-19 I can expect to live another 25-30 years (and not in a nursing home).
This disease is serious for a lot of people the average person doesn't think of as either old or sickly and frail. About 1 out of 3 Americans has a pre-existing condition that puts them at increased risk of death if they catch COVID-19, and not all of those people can self-quarantine. Some (like me) work essential jobs. The average age of a physician in the US is 51, and 30% are over the age of 60. The average age of an RN is 50. Do you REALLY want half the medical workforce to self-quarantine? I don't think so!
We NEED those many of "old, sickly" people to stay productive in the workforce - and many of them won't if they feel they are being thrown to the wolves. That has its own economic cost.
Why is hypertension a problem with a respiratory illness like this?
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