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Nobody wants the Boomer's inventions, developments, and production?
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Nobody wants the Boomer's inventions, developments, and production?
Women's rights vs stereotypes, Rock and Roll, Color TV and flat screens, color movies, FM radio, remote controls,internet, email, PCs, cell phones, wi-fi, bluetooth, credit cards, bank cards, SIM cards, on-line banking, microchips, LCD displays, Silicone Valley, calculators, audio cassettes, 8 track, VCRs, DVD/CD disks and players, music videos, digital cameras, camcorders, catalytic converters, seat belts in cars, air conditioners, central heating, gas lawnmowers, robotics, man on the moon, jet engines, Dolby and surround sound, MRI and CAT scans, dialysis, organ transplants ....
All hugely important inventions...but let's not forget the colossal damage being cause by our current political climate. Which currently is, and has been, dominated by boomers. Particularly in the legislative and judicial branches.
I have to agree with a previous poster. It's time to let the younger generations take over, they have to fix or live with the mess we made.
How can the generation born in the 1950s, which is 100% Boomer, be both "silent" and "idealist"?
If I'm following you, the cycle would look like this:
1900-1927 Greatest Generation, "heroes"
1928-1945 Silent Generation, "silents"
1946-1964 Boomers, "idealists"
1965-1980 Gen X, (you didn't mention them, but would not they, instead of Millennials, be the "nomads" ?)
1981-1886 Millennials -- looks like they should be the new "heroes" ??
But no doubt the author's theory is more complex than that.
I missed Gen X in my first post so thanks Saibot - and the timeframes I was using isn't birth-oriented but their general generational midpoint, you might say. Gen X'ers are the nomads and Millennials the heroes as you point out - and it seems the Millennials would have been the ones fighting the mideast & Afghanistan wars of the early 2000's era for the most part (assuming 1981-1996 birth years so the early cohort although those wars dragged on)?
It's an interesting (and tragic) connection with the author's theory - and might also indicate more bumps ahead as we confront the "Fourth Turning".
I missed Gen X in my first post so thanks Saibot - and the timeframes I was using isn't birth-oriented but their general generational midpoint, you might say. Gen X'ers are the nomads and Millennials the heroes as you point out - and it seems the Millennials would have been the ones fighting the mideast & Afghanistan wars of the early 2000's era for the most part (assuming 1981-1996 birth years so the early cohort although those wars dragged on)?
It's an interesting (and tragic) connection with the author's theory - and might also indicate more bumps ahead as we confront the "Fourth Turning".
Actually, the 1991 Gulf War was a Baby Boomer/Gen X war.
All hugely important inventions...but let's not forget the colossal damage being cause by our current political climate. Which currently is, and has been, dominated by boomers. Particularly in the legislative and judicial branches.
I have to agree with a previous poster. It's time to let the younger generations take over, they have to fix or live with the mess we made.
But the younger generation still live with Mom and Pop. They gotta get their **** together.
But the younger generation still live with Mom and Pop. They gotta get their **** together.
Perhaps they live with Mom and Pop because costs, rentals , home prices and general expenses have far exceeded their incomes. Boomers could raise a family and buy a house/car etc with just a factory job.
Perhaps they live with Mom and Pop because costs, rentals , home prices and general expenses have far exceeded their incomes. Boomers could raise a family and buy a house/car etc with just a factory job.
Just sayin' ...
No, what you're "just sayin'" is wrong. Early Boomers caught the tail end of the Post WWII boom by maybe a couple years. After that those "factory jobs" started to disappear. In fact, that contraction started around 1964 when automation started to really make inroads into industrial employment, not to mention the early disruptive effects of offshoring starting (textiles and electronics).
You guys always conflate the WWII generation and what they experienced job wise to the Baby Boomers, who matured into double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, recessions every 2 1/2 years that contracted jobs even more, energy crises (which fueled some of that inflation), and finally, the collapse of entire industries. You know, those "raise a family and buy a house/car" factory jobs.
Just as a personal observation having worked one of those "raise a family and buy a house/car" factory jobs I still find it interestin, since those jobs were so "good" how many married couples, as well as women whose husbands worked elsewhere, worked in the factory.
I worked in a manufacturing company and most of the company collapsed due to foreign imports. I had to leave the industry altogether with only 19 years into it, so I didn't get a pension out of that career and had to start over in a new career. I have multiple (and I mean multiple) Boomer friends who were let go from jobs. Some of them never recouped. I was fortunate enough to make a move voluntarily rather than waiting for the forced layoff.
Nope, there was no easy ride for Boomers, and you are not well informed if you think this.
I also do not agree with the poster who said that Boomers came out of the womb saying "I want". Not true. I was raised by Depression parents and still practice frugality. I still own an analog TV and a 50+ year old refrigerator. I think the generation who "wants" everything was the generation behind the Boomers who grew up in the 90's as well as the Milennials. These are the people whose parents were Boomers and they are judging Boomers based on whatever the Boomers accumulated over a 40 year working history. We didn't start out with any of the luxuries that Milennials have now. We didn't have cell phones, luxury cars, or luxury apartments. We started out in roach infested dumps without AC and had small used sedans with 200,000 miles on them. I worked 60-70 hour work weeks.
I resent the entitlement of some of the current generation of young adults BUT they didn't get that way by themselves. Somebody spoiled them and made them think that the world owes them a living. I know a lot of adults in their 40s and younger who can't even cook their own dinner. I know people who grew up in America, were 18+, and didn't know how to use the washing machine, let alone a power tool. They'd never helped build something in the garage, they never changed the oil in a car, or even PUT oil in a car. It became a joke that they didn't like "adulting". They weren't born adult! Somehow, they arrived at age 18 totally unprepared for the world. Guess who did that to them? That's right, their parents expected nothing of them, and they "rose" to their parents' expectations. They knew nothing, because their parents taught them nothing. And people wonder why these folks still live in their parents' basement...it's because their parents never taught them to be responsible and to do the things we all take for granted. And their parents ALLOW them to live in the basement, continuing to infantilize grown women and men.
My post is not directed at you. I am just piggy-backing off of your statement, "I resent the entitlement of some of the current generation of young adults BUT they didn't get that way by themselves."
Baby Boomers are responsible for the parenting that has created the way Millenials behave.
Doctor Spock and the entire asinine touchy-feely movement that produced him -- is why the Baby Boomers so ineptly raised the Millenial generation. All through the 1700s, 1800s, and pre-Vietnam War 1900s, parents were authoritarian and knew their job was to raise children in no-nonsense fashion, to be responsible, well-adjusted adults. Nothing more or less than that.
Parents laid down the rules and enforced them. Kids always caused problems -- boys most especially -- but rules were enforced and discipline kept children in line. Children need discipline. Many a child's question toward rules and discipline was answered with "because I said so, that is why".
I am sure I don't have to recap every attribute of how parents conducted their parenting before the 1950s. Most on this forum are older and know first hand by the stories our parents told of growing up before or during WWII.
Then Dr. Spock came along with his 1946 book, "Baby and Child Care".
You had to "understand" your children. You had to "reason" with your children. You had to "explain" to your children. They were to be treated as small adults. No more spanking. No more punishment. You had to get your children to "buy into" what you wanted. You had to let your children misbehave and go through their "growing pains", they would eventually "grow out of it" if you kept letting them do whatever they wanted to do. Protect them from experiencing any slight harm, so they grow up soft and their feelings are constantly hurt.
To the extent that Baby Boom parents allowed this idiotic brainwashing to take hold -- rather than listen to their own parents -- the Boomers are responsible for the inept child rearing and ruination of many Millenials, from participation trophies and pass/fail grading, to coddling and permissiveness.
"Be your kids best friend" was the bald faced lie that spoiled a generation.
But that is all Boomers can be blamed for -- for not rejecting the idiotic, disastrous brainwashing by Doctor Spock and his utopian seeking ilk.
The Baby Boom generation by and large, is wholly innocent of the widespread adoption of this idiocy in child rearing. It is the elitist professors and psychologists and sociologists and social workers who rammed this failed and dangerous experiment down our throats, with utter disregard for what had worked toward raising chidlren for hundreds of years.
As usual, the entire Baby Boom generation gets blamed for the stupidity of a few LSD toking aging elitest hippies that forced their whacked-out theories upon the entire group.
I swear, the 1960s Hippies ruined America with their newfangled, avante-garde, communist-praising, "love is all you need" philosophy. Everything that is wrong with America 2022 from homelessness to soaring crime, can be traced back to the takeover of US institutions by these aging socialist Hippies.
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Sounds like the male version of myself. We are the early boomers. In college and then working, strongly opposed to the Viet Nam war. How to stop that useless war consumed a lot of our thoughts and actions.
We had our music, peaceful protests, semi hippie beliefs like organic gardening, environmentalism, anti materialistic consumption and greed, idealistic desire for love and human kindness.
Late 1960s I was married and teaching first grade but still hung onto these values. I knew several men who got drafted and went even though they were against this war. Most men lived in dread.
One other thing though: in teachers college they were telling us we should let our students do whatever they wanted. This was coming from our professors, not us. Permissiveness was the new trend. As a new teacher I quickly found that it didn't work. I think it's the permissiveness, no rules, spoil them rotten, give them everything, even participation trophies. That's why they think the world owes them a living.
That new philosophy of permissiveness -- "let children experiment and they will work it out for themselves without guidance or discipline" -- is a primary reason society is the way it is today. We failed miserably with this foolish approach. A pox on those who pushed it on the rest of us.
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