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Old 06-26-2023, 07:43 AM
 
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Government really shouldn't be in the business of "job creation". they should create an atmosphere where private citizens feel comfortable starting businesses. The democrat side believes in creating more regulations to create jobs. Electric car, stoves, etc.....
I don’t think it is a matter of more regulation to create jobs, but the regulations are to keep private entities from abusing the process in terms of land, etc. For instance, there are multiple examples of private companies that are/were in the state for being on the hook for polluting land(IBM in Endicott, look up the Plume) or waterways(Allied Chemical/Honeywell in regards to Onondaga Lake). So, that in turn plays a part in regulating the private sector due to those instances that have occurred and so they hopefully don’t happen again. So, it isn’t so much about having regulations to create jobs, but for the people to be protected from instances of where the company may do things that can harm the community.
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Old 06-26-2023, 08:35 AM
 
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I don’t think it is a matter of more regulation to create jobs, but the regulations are to keep private entities from abusing the process in terms of land, etc. For instance, there are multiple examples of private companies that are/were in the state for being on the hook for polluting land(IBM in Endicott, look up the Plume) or waterways(Allied Chemical/Honeywell in regards to Onondaga Lake). So, that in turn plays a part in regulating the private sector due to those instances that have occurred and so they hopefully don’t happen again. So, it isn’t so much about having regulations to create jobs, but for the people to be protected from instances of where the company may do things that can harm the community.
I understand what you are saying, and yes, back in the 50's, and 60's many companies were responsible for just dumping waste out the back door. It was wrong, and I doubt if you would find that happening again, even without regulators. if nothing else, no one wants their name or company name in the news for something like that. People have a lot of power, and can simply not do business with a polluter.

Crazy, but organizations like our own government, Greenpeace and others have created a lot of disasters themselves.
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Old 06-26-2023, 08:53 AM
 
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I understand what you are saying, and yes, back in the 50's, and 60's many companies were responsible for just dumping waste out the back door. It was wrong, and I doubt if you would find that happening again, even without regulators. if nothing else, no one wants their name or company name in the news for something like that. People have a lot of power, and can simply not do business with a polluter.

Crazy, but organizations like our own government, Greenpeace and others have created a lot of disasters themselves.
I’m sure…With Allied Chemical, they left Solvay(just outside of Syracuse around 1987) and Honeywell has been a part of a long clean up of the lake.

With IBM, who just announced that they are completely leaving Endicott later this year, there were some people that live the Plume portion of the village still feeling effects of the contamination at least a decade or so ago.

To bring it back to the casino, I think this really comes down to bad communication from the state. I think if the state actually contacted the needed local politicians about this deal, it would have had a better chance of being done.
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:09 AM
 
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To bring it back to the casino, I think this really comes down to bad communication from the state. I think if the state actually contacted the needed local politicians about this deal, it would have had a better chance of being done.
Casinos have been around long enough, and are a pretty big issue. I refuse to believe that this wasn't discussed. Especially with the $400 million for the stadium. If nobody said to her "where's our's?" they should be fired. I think "how about a casino?" was her response.
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Old 06-26-2023, 02:20 PM
 
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Casinos have been around long enough, and are a pretty big issue. I refuse to believe that this wasn't discussed. Especially with the $400 million for the stadium. If nobody said to her "where's our's?" they should be fired. I think "how about a casino?" was her response.
Why would that be her response, when it appears that the Senecas have wanted to bring a casino to the area for a while now? That is according to this segment/article on the WHEC website: https://www.whec.com/top-news/seneca...hester-casino/

Also, didn’t you mention that the Senecas own land in the area?
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Old 06-26-2023, 03:41 PM
 
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Why would that be her response, when it appears that the Senecas have wanted to bring a casino to the area for a while now? That is according to this segment/article on the WHEC website: https://www.whec.com/top-news/seneca...hester-casino/

Also, didn’t you mention that the Senecas own land in the area?
Whatever you're trying to say isn't a response to what I said.
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Old 06-27-2023, 01:57 PM
 
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I don’t think it is a matter of more regulation to create jobs, but the regulations are to keep private entities from abusing the process in terms of land, etc. For instance, there are multiple examples of private companies that are/were in the state for being on the hook for polluting land(IBM in Endicott, look up the Plume) or waterways(Allied Chemical/Honeywell in regards to Onondaga Lake). So, that in turn plays a part in regulating the private sector due to those instances that have occurred and so they hopefully don’t happen again. So, it isn’t so much about having regulations to create jobs, but for the people to be protected from instances of where the company may do things that can harm the community.
They were allowed to pollute, by bureaucrats. It continues with the EPA, they allow companies to pollute with impunity.
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Old 06-27-2023, 05:23 PM
 
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An opinion piece in regards to competition…

Is Competition Driving Casino Debate?: https://www.minorityreporter.net/pos...2-69c9bb58a78c
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:45 AM
 
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An opinion piece in regards to competition…

Is Competition Driving Casino Debate?: https://www.minorityreporter.net/pos...2-69c9bb58a78c
That report echoes, yet another time, about "job creation". Yet the proponents of these casinos never CLEARLY state where the customers of these casinos are going to come from. I look at it the same way I look at shopping malls in the Rochester.

Wilmorite, the major mall creator in the area, took the approach "if some are good, more must be better, so too many will be just enough". They built something like 5 malls throughout the area, and look at where we stand, as the majority of those structures are what, 50-60% occupied? And the occupants of the malls are pretty much all the same........
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:09 AM
 
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That report echoes, yet another time, about "job creation". Yet the proponents of these casinos never CLEARLY state where the customers of these casinos are going to come from. I look at it the same way I look at shopping malls in the Rochester.

Wilmorite, the major mall creator in the area, took the approach "if some are good, more must be better, so too many will be just enough". They built something like 5 malls throughout the area, and look at where we stand, as the majority of those structures are what, 50-60% occupied? And the occupants of the malls are pretty much all the same........
I think they think locals and those visiting the area would go. Many do have concerts and other events that attract people to their facilities. So, it is more than just gambling.

I can see what the article is referring to, as a lot of people that go to Del Lago or Batavia Downs come from the bigger areas. So, if Rochester gets one in the city, they likely capture that immediate market from the state’s 3rd biggest metro area versus those folks going to those other casinos.
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