Incarnate Word Student Killed During Traffic Stop (West: gated, live in)

[ItsTheTruth]

Originally Posted by kevcrawford

Last I checked, I wasn't the one blindly accusing without evidence. I believe every one of my posts says that we need to wait to decide.

Want to talk injuries? Again, you probably know nothing about fighting or the real world. Someone swings at me, I'm moving in and taking all the leverage away from them, meaning they'll get a hit in, but it won't do much.

Now, that's not due to their lack of malice. It's due to a good reaction. Should the cop have waited to get clocked in the head and THEN pull? Assuming that he wasn't dead or out?

Actually, I was an amateur kickboxer many years ago. I trained and fought with guys you've seen on TV. I also worked at many nightclubs as security until I started my career. Nobody ever took my baton and I've never had a drunk guy push me around. Then again, I was also the type that liked to talk someone down rather than beat then down. Unfortunately, that's one of those qualities that's rare to find in a cop.

I'll bet money you've never been in a real fight in your entire life. Your McDojo strategies will get you hurt. I strongly suggest you don't move towards someone swinging at you unless you're considerably larger and stronger than them and know for an absolute fact that they have no training. The only fight you win is the one you avoid.

[Merovee]

All good points especially the only fight you win is the one you avoid.

[majormadmax]

Originally Posted by Merovee

All good points especially the only fight you win is the one you avoid.

Wow, if the world was only that easy!

The truth is, the only fight you win is the one you win; whether you get to choose to fight it or not.

It's amazing at how many people are placing the blame for the entire incident on the police officer. Some even suggest it could have been avoided had he not pulled the young man over. Sure, let's go with that tactic, the police not doing the job we expect them to! Most of us agree that this city already has a bad problem with drunk drivers, and Texas laws prohibiting checkpoints mean the only way to get this menace off our streets is for the police to patrol areas and stop people who appear to have been drinking. A car weaving in the road is a pretty good indicator that the driver may be intoxicated or under the influence of something else.

So we have a certified peace officer doing the job he is sworn to do and a student who, by all accounts, was intoxicated or under the influence. The latter attacks the officer and unfortunately lethal force had to be used to stop him. I am sure that if any of us were in a "them versus you" situation like that, they'd do anything possible to survive the situation. The time for time talk and/or walking away is long gone, and it's very naive to think that was even an option for the officer.

Let's consider this situation, the officer sees the individual driving erratically but fails to do anything about it. The individual then later runs a red light and kills members of your family. How are you going to feel about that "just avoid the problem" approach now?

It's nice that people can live in a fantasy world where conflicts can be resolved so easily without force or violence; but the reality is that such behavior is sometimes necessary and when one's life is at stake, they will use every means available to them to ensure they will prevail.

It's sad that the young man died, but most likely it was from the consequences of his own actions.

[HeadedWest]

Originally Posted by majormadmax

It's nice that people can live in a fantasy world where conflicts can be resolved so easily without force or violence; but the reality is that such behavior is sometimes necessary and when one's life is at stake, they will use every means available to them to ensure they will prevail.

It's nice tat people can live in a fantasy world where fat out of shape cops never panic and shot people.

[Huckleberry3911948]

astounding the number of posts on CDF about police shooting someone that jumped on them.
3 possiibilities.
the police are insane
the people jumping on them are insane.
jumping on police is no longer a crime

[*mud*]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

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astounding the number of posts on CDF about police shooting someone that jumped on them.


3 possiibilities.


the police are insane


the people jumping on them are insane.




jumping on police is no longer a crime

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[bspray]

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The UIW student never got his day in court. He was tried, found guilty and murdered for his traffic crime on the spot. This cop shouldn't get his day in court either, he should go directly to jail.

The unarmed UIW student was shot multiple times by a cop that says he was being assaulted with his own weapon and yet the cop in question does not have a mark on him.

Being a cop does not make you right. Being a cop does not make you honest.

There should be every bit as much burden of proof required of the cop to justify his actions as is required by anyone else in society but there never is. Cops are given the benefit of the doubt in spite of repeated instances where they have been found to be lying and fabricating evidence and yet we continue to just take their word over another citizens word. A cop's word should be given no more weight than anyone elses. That power is abused and it is the reason that so many people distrust and dislike cops today.

I don't care if the job is hard. I don't care if the job is dangerous. No one is putting a gun to their heads and making them go out on patrol every night.

There is no way to have a dialog with a cop, there is no way to reason with a cop. I find their attitudes detestable and I think there are more dishonest cops than honest ones.

There is no doubt in my mind that the cop that shot the UIW student is guilty of murder. There is also no doubt in my mind that he is going to get away with it because of his profession. We have a deplorable legal system in this country when the outlaws are the ones enforcing the law.

[geargrinder70]

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The UIW student never got his day in court. He was tried, found guilty and murdered for his traffic crime on the spot. This cop shouldn't get his day in court either, he should go directly to jail.
Maybe he would have received his day in court if he would have stayed in his car.

The unarmed UIW student was shot multiple times by a cop that says he was being assaulted with his own weapon and yet the cop in question does not have a mark on him.
Have you seen the investigations report? No I didn't think you had. So how do you know this?

Being a cop does not make you right. Being a cop does not make you honest.
Your right about this which is why you should try your case in court not in the street.

There should be every bit as much burden of proof required of the cop to justify his actions as is required by anyone else in society but there never is. Cops are given the benefit of the doubt in spite of repeated instances where they have been found to be lying and fabricating evidence and yet we continue to just take their word over another citizens word. A cop's word should be given no more weight than anyone elses. That power is abused and it is the reason that so many people distrust and dislike cops today.
In a perfect world this would work too bad ours is imperfect.

I don't care if the job is hard. I don't care if the job is dangerous. No one is putting a gun to their heads and making them go out on patrol every night.
I'm pretty sure they don't care if you care.

There is no way to have a dialog with a cop, there is no way to reason with a cop. I find their attitudes detestable and I think there are more dishonest cops than honest ones.
I have had many interactions with cops over my years and have never had a problem or complaint with their actions except once, but he was very young and new to the force so I will cut him a little slack. In fact I have had numerous occasions where they have gone out of their way to help me out when they had no reason to.

There is no doubt in my mind that the cop that shot the UIW student is guilty of murder. There is also no doubt in my mind that he is going to get away with it because of his profession. We have a deplorable legal system in this country when the outlaws are the ones enforcing the law.
Which is why I am so glad that there are some very intelligent lawyers on both sides who can spot someone like yourself during jury selection for a trial and keep you from serving on a jury so hopefully the jury will be impartial and justice will be served for whoever is at fault or not at fault.

[bspray]

Originally Posted by geargrinder70

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The UIW student never got his day in court. He was tried, found guilty and murdered for his traffic crime on the spot. This cop shouldn't get his day in court either, he should go directly to jail.
Maybe he would have received his day in court if he would have stayed in his car.

The unarmed UIW student was shot multiple times by a cop that says he was being assaulted with his own weapon and yet the cop in question does not have a mark on him.
Have you seen the investigations report? No I didn't think you had. So how do you know this?

Being a cop does not make you right. Being a cop does not make you honest.
Your right about this which is why you should try your case in court not in the street.

There should be every bit as much burden of proof required of the cop to justify his actions as is required by anyone else in society but there never is. Cops are given the benefit of the doubt in spite of repeated instances where they have been found to be lying and fabricating evidence and yet we continue to just take their word over another citizens word. A cop's word should be given no more weight than anyone elses. That power is abused and it is the reason that so many people distrust and dislike cops today.
In a perfect world this would work too bad ours is imperfect.

I don't care if the job is hard. I don't care if the job is dangerous. No one is putting a gun to their heads and making them go out on patrol every night.
I'm pretty sure they don't care if you care.

There is no way to have a dialog with a cop, there is no way to reason with a cop. I find their attitudes detestable and I think there are more dishonest cops than honest ones.
I have had many interactions with cops over my years and have never had a problem or complaint with their actions except once, but he was very young and new to the force so I will cut him a little slack. In fact I have had numerous occasions where they have gone out of their way to help me out when they had no reason to.

There is no doubt in my mind that the cop that shot the UIW student is guilty of murder. There is also no doubt in my mind that he is going to get away with it because of his profession. We have a deplorable legal system in this country when the outlaws are the ones enforcing the law.
Which is why I am so glad that there are some very intelligent lawyers on both sides who can spot someone like yourself during jury selection for a trial and keep you from serving on a jury so hopefully the jury will be impartial and justice will be served for whoever is at fault or not at fault.

I could care less what you think and it's pretty obvious you don't think much of my opinion. I am not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by responding to my posts.

[geargrinder70]

Originally Posted by bspray

I could care less what you think and it's pretty obvious you don't think much of my opinion. I am not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by responding to my posts.

I am hoping to accomplish nothing. Just posting an opposing view point.