Why is San Diego so safe? - Take 2 (San Jose: crimes, house)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC;43282I

am skeptical of the claim that everyone uses drugs at the same rate, but even if true, that is but one category of crimes. And in any case, I see liberties were taken with "modest" evidence of the race of the dealer selling drugs to buyers.

I don't care if you were skeptical the data has been consistent in every single study. There is no significant difference in drug use by whites vs blacks.

Black people comprise 13 percent of the U.S. population, and are consistently documented by the U.S. government to use drugs at similar rates to people of other races. But black people comprise 31
percent of those arrested for drug law violations, and nearly 40 percent of those incarcerated in state or
federal prison for drug law violations.

http://c1.nrostatic.com/sites/defaul...014_samhsa.jpg

Drug Use Estimates | Drug War Facts904]"]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC;43282I

I seem to remember this study which was not liked by the crowd that sought to show that traffic stops target blacks. N.J. releases controversial racial speeding study - April 2, 2002. Funny that I do not hear about this study after New Jersey was demonized so very much.

Wow, that's pretty awesome that you remember an obscure 14 year old study that was never validated by other studies!

Racial Profiling and Traffic Stops | National Institute of Justice

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...atistics-show/

Driving While Black by Charles Epp and Steven Maynard-Moody | The Washington Monthly

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

How do you know that the surge in crime in Santa Ana is caused by Hispanics? Do you believe this because the crime is occurring in "Hispanic areas"? I see arrests of blacks in Santa Ana for the year 2011-2012 was 6 to 1, black vs. non black.

Here's more data to consider. An arrest of a black person does not mean that individual committed a crime; and certainly not a violent crime.

Also, much of Santa Ana's violence is committed by gangs, not by individual blacks.
The reason I am focusing on OC, is because you mentioned Laguna Niguel (in OC).

Part of the thrust of this thread, by some, is that blacks are criminals. It's important to look at violence and the factors behind it, and not skin color.

Blacks are not on some sort of violent rampage in OC. It looks like the police may not always be arresting those they should.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag..._crime2010.pdf
"Gangs operate in cities of all sizes throughout California and are responsible for much of the crime in our state."

CalGang Data Base Statistics:

Statewide Total Gang Members: 235, 579.

Hispanic 156,652
Black 46, 277
White 18, 506
Asian 6,131
Pacific Islander 1,381
Undesignated Race 6,636

Gang Members in Orange County

Hispanic 12,105
Black 406
White 1,234
Asian 838
Pacific Islander 85
Undesignated Race 408

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

A police officer can arrest a person only if the officer:

Personally observed a crime;
Has probable cause to believe that the person arrested committed a crime; and/or
Has an arrest warrant issued by a judge.

Let's stick to San Diego, as that is what we are taking about. If the wildly disproportionate number of black arrests all over San Diego (as compared to non blacks) are not based on the arrest requirements spelled out supra, surely we can expect lots of lawsuits. After all, we are taking about a deprivation of rights when these unlawful arrests are made. So where are the many successful suits?

You are the one who brought up OC. Also, one cannot presume guilt just because of an arrest. There is bias in arrests against blacks and Hispanics.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

A police officer can arrest a person only if the officer: Personally observed a crime; Has probable cause to believe that the person arrested committed a crime; and/or Has an arrest warrant issued by a judge. Let's stick to San Diego, as that is what we are taking about. If the wildly disproportionate number of black arrests all over San Diego (as compared to non blacks) are not based on the arrest requirements spelled out supra, surely we can expect lots of lawsuits. After all, we are taking about a deprivation of rights when these unlawful arrests are made. So where are the many successful suits?

In the first place, arrests for minor crimes and traffic violations are discretionary. A police Officer can take your spray paint can away and scold you, or take you to jail for vandalism. If you are speeding you might get a warning or you might get a ticket that will cost you several hundreds of dollars. In fact, it is up to the Officer whether or not they want to even detain you and investigate minor crimes. It is provable that blacks are stopped, detained and arrested far more often than whites even for offenses that are committed at the same rate by either race.

The most comprehensive survey ever conducted of police stops in Connecticut shows that for the most common moving violations — speeding, traffic-light violations and stop-sign violations — black and Hispanic offenders statewide are 11 to 41 percent more likely to end up with a ticket than are white offenders stopped for the same offense.

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

Originally Posted by supercad55

You do know DC Atlanta Raleigh Charlotte all are black cities with the best economies in America right? Atlanta is the number one city to move to majority black along with Raleigh. These cities are filling up with people way faster than san diego. Your ignorance offends me you need to get out of your neanderthal half human mindset and explore before saying dumb things over the net. Neanderthals will never evolve because your genetically not fully human. I can't get made at you do to this fact.

Huh? What do you mean Raleigh is a black city? I doubt percent of blacks in Raleigh is much higher than Indianapolis, Louisville, or Cincy and those are not "black" cities.

[ftbowie]

Originally Posted by pacific2

You are the one who brought up OC. Also, one cannot presume guilt just because of an arrest. There is bias in arrests against blacks and Hispanics.

Baloney....Probably half the cops are Hispanic...So you're saying they are biased against they're own Race? Arrest statistics accurately reflect the people who are committing crimes and folks who try and say it's because of bias are trying to obfuscate and hide the truth.

[green_mariner]

I figured this thread would turn into a yet another discussion about Blacks. Another thread of this same topic turned into that.

For the record, this is what I see. If everyone were to say what they thought regarding the issue of race, I think it would turn into a fight. Too much anger, resentment, and distrust. Seems like the #1 way to keep the peace is to not talk about certain things. Talking about it has not brought any peace.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ftbowie

Baloney....Arrest statistics accurately reflect the people who are committing crimes and folks who try and say it's because of bias are trying to obfuscate and hide the truth.

Please support your opinion with some credible facts and research. Thanks in advance.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by ftbowie

Baloney....Probably half the cops are Hispanic...So you're saying they are biased against they're own Race? Arrest statistics accurately reflect the people who are committing crimes and folks who try and say it's because of bias are trying to obfuscate and hide the truth.

If you are referring to San Diego you are not even close. The San Diego Police Department is about 20% Hispanic. The city's population is about 28% Hispanic.

A look into the demographics of the San Diego Police SDPD force | Law Offices of Mark Deniz APLC

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by ftbowie

Baloney....Probably half the cops are Hispanic...So you're saying they are biased against they're own Race? Arrest statistics accurately reflect the people who are committing crimes and folks who try and say it's because of bias are trying to obfuscate and hide the truth.

Wrong on both counts & it would be useful for you to at least attempt to source your claims.