my opinion: the bag law is a failure (Joshua Tree: for sale, power lines)

[thisoldmeemaw]

[quote=sdsvtdriver;47423868]Negative. Pure profit - right into grocers pockets. You've been had.

Voters did not approve Prop 65 which would have forced the monies to go to an environmental fund.

Proposition 67 Arguments and Rebuttals | Official Voter Information Guide | California Secretary of State[/QUOT

Sorry, I was told 65 passed. Guess I better be careful who I listen to. They don't collect money from me. If I forget my bags and am too lazy to walk back to my car, I put the stuff back in my basket and carry it out to the car.

[citizensadvocate]

Just asking prior to this mandatory charge for bag fad legislation that went around the cities and now statewide when is the last time we had a similar law that required a private business to charge for an item that they formally included with purchase that is not a tax and goes straight into their pockets?

The truth is these law completely lacks any accountability whatsoever it was written intentionally to circumnavigate the scrutiny that government taxes receive in this state under the constitution. And an unprecedented abuse of power to legislate to violate anti trust laws.

At least the new soda taxes are still taxes that still need to go through due process and approved by 2/3 majority vote.
If prop 65 passes we would not be paying for bags as the fee would require the 2/3 majority vote which is highly unlikely to happen given that prop 67 only passed by 2%. And soda taxes are up to the store to decide how to pass unto the customers. I.e in a soda in Berkeley, CA has the soda tax which has the tax is not a penny higher than a soda in Concord, CA which has no soda tax and the customer just pays the normal soda price and the 9% sales tax.

Thats why these pro banners are madly against prop 65 even though the money goes into an environmental fund. The scheme is only disguised to "save the environment" but its actually corruption to get around due process. Its scary precedent as this trend of corruption is being pushed in such a widespread manner these days all in disguise of saving the environment.
Which every real scientific data to date has disagreed.

[mauialoha]

I think they should let the loggers start cutting down the giant redwoods again. Make paper for these bags! No legitimate science has shown that all those redwoods did any good for us anyway. Same thing with all those buffaloes!
Dave

And PS citizensadvocate - your name presumes a lot. You are not advocating for this citizen or I would dare say the majority in this state.

[ontheGtrain]

The bag tax and now a 43% increase in the gas tax. Every California liberals wet dream come true.

[mauialoha]

Every California liberals wet dream come true.

here's a news flash for you ontheGtrain. We liberals don't like paying taxes any more than anyone else. What we do like is having clean air and water. We like the idea of leaving this planet a better place than the previous generations left it for us.
Dave

[ontheGtrain]

Originally Posted by mauialoha

here's a news flash for you ontheGtrain. We liberals don't like paying taxes any more than anyone else. What we do like is having clean air and water. We like the idea of leaving this planet a better place than the previous generations left it for us.
Dave

You would make AL Gore giddy with laughter. You want whatever your liberal gods tell you to want. You buy their game hook line and sinker. Good riddance to your welfare state. I'm moving to Arizona at the end of the month. May the hustlers in Sacramento clean you dry in the name of the clean air and snowflakes.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by mauialoha

here's a news flash for you ontheGtrain. We liberals don't like paying taxes any more than anyone else. What we do like is having clean air and water. We like the idea of leaving this planet a better place than the previous generations left it for us.
Dave

Uh, what does making thicker plastic bags have to do with better air quality?

Then how will that help the water when the thicker bags end up there too?

[nc17]

I admit that there's absolutely nothing about the policy that's well-thought out, and the convenient alternative is to just cough up change for a few bags. Which is part and parcel of the American experience.

[citizensadvocate]

Worst of all San Diego streets and freeways are now piling up with spilled plastic scrap from garbage trucks that are once tied securely in those liberal labeled evil plastic grocery bags prior to November. This is exactly like what happened in the SF Bay Area following local versions passed there. How is that good for the environment? Think of all those other plastic scrap that wrapped all those everyday products we receive everyday which the ordinance does not affect. Those grocery bags, while unfairly vilified by radical environmentalists who managed to start a global warfare on them, are actually important heros in environmental waste management that kept many of them from flying away. This idealism can be compared to those who think killing spiders while help reduce and control pests.

Congratulations to our fine Democrat leaders now we have 400% more other type of plastics in the environment now for all those creatures to eat.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

Worst of all San Diego streets and freeways are now piling up with spilled plastic scrap from garbage trucks that are once tied securely in those liberal labeled evil plastic grocery bags prior to November. This is exactly like what happened in the SF Bay Area following local versions passed there. How is that good for the environment? Think of all those other plastic scrap that wrapped all those everyday products we receive everyday which the ordinance does not affect. Those grocery bags, while unfairly vilified by radical environmentalists who managed to start a global warfare on them, are actually important heros in environmental waste management that kept many of them from flying away. This idealism can be compared to those who think killing spiders while help reduce and control pests.

Congratulations to our fine Democrat leaders now we have 400% more other type of plastics in the environment now for all those creatures to eat.

As a result of the huge increase in local dump fees people are now dumping wherever they think they can get away with it. The area near the SD river is covered with piles of old concrete, couches and mattresses. Same with Fiesta Island.