COVID-19 Thread San Diego (Orange: offices, offer, square)

[GuyInSD]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

As far as attrition, what's worse, COVID-19 or the "regular" flu?
Anyone have any credible #'s?

Well, for what it's worth:

per the WHO (dated, from MAR 2020):
"Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza...the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%"

from sciencealert.com (from 23 JUN 2020):
"While about 0.1 percent of people who got the flu died in the US last year, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the coronavirus' death rate is currently about 5.2 percent, based on the reported totals of cases and deaths. That makes the coronavirus' average death rate 52 times higher than that of the flu."

from goodrx.com, based on JHU data (from 27 AUG 2020):
"the case fatality ratio of COVID-19 in the US is 3.1%. The case fatality rate for influenza will obviously change year to year. But news reports and the World Health Organization often estimate it at around 0.1%"

[DaCounselor]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

As far as attrition, what's worse, COVID-19 or the "regular" flu?
Anyone have any credible #'s?

Johns Hopkins reports 6.5 million confirmed (by testing) cases of COVID and 194K deaths, resulting in a mortality rate of 3%. However every single source reports that actual positive cases are drastically higher but not reported as they were mild and no testing was performed. CDC estimates 10 times as many cases as reported, which results in an estimate of 65 million positives and 194K deaths, for a mortality rate of .3%. Big difference.

Compared to the flu, the estimated true mortality rate of COVID is about 3 times higher right now. Will a vaccine lower the COVID mortality rate to the level of the flu, which we already have a vaccine for and which has greatly reduced the mortality rate? It would make sense.

With respect to the boom in college cases, Brown University research said there were 26,000 positive tests but no hospitalizations. Thought that was interesting.

[ddeemo]

Originally Posted by bloom

-Approaching 250M USA covid deaths -->failed national response vs other nations
-Zero response to bounties on US servicemen and calling em losers & suckers
-Tax policy favors the already wealthy - do not be conned again
-Minorities disproportionately impacted by injustice --> be decent and support them
-Separates children from families during detainment --> inhumane not american

So by your figures (250M USA COVID deaths) - we have lost almost 70% of the US population - Really?
The rest of your post is also full of liberal bias;
-It has been proven that "calling em losers & suckers" was false - why continue.
-Tax policies favor the poor - almost 50% pay no tax - the conn is that the wealthy are getting tax breaks - the wealthy are who is currently paying the taxes - it is hard to give tax breaks to those that pay no tax
-Minorities disproportionately impacted by injustice but primarily from other minorities - minority on minority violence is much more prevalent than police injustice
-Separates children from families during detainment - oops, sorry - Obama/Biden did that and what is often missed is that it no longer the policy. https://apnews.com/2663c84832a13cdd7a8233becfc7a5f3

Michelle Obama assailed President Donald Trump on Monday for ripping migrant children from their parents and throwing them into cages, picking up on a frequent and distorted point made widely by Democrats.

She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families. But what she did not say is that the very same “cages” were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily.

MICHELLE OBAMA: “They watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages.”

THE FACTS: The reference to cages is misleading and a matter that Democrats have persistently distorted.

Trump used facilities that were built during the Obama-Biden administration to house children at the border.

At the height of the controversy over Trump’s zero-tolerance policy at the border, photos that circulated online of children in the enclosures generated great anger. But those photos — by The Associated Press — were taken in 2014 and depicted some of the thousands of unaccompanied children held by President Barack Obama.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

SDSU has some parties. State rules will close us back down.


https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...e-yet/2405996/

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...-data/2406666/

[LaJollaEast]

And UCSD is bringing back 7,500 students to live on campus beginning this Saturday. I live near UCSD and we are not happy about this at all.

[CNYC]

We WILL eventually be back on lockdown thanks to idiots who don't follow safety protocols. THE SAME idiots who are complaining about businesses not being open.

I am running out of steam. Stupidity has zapped me of my energy.

BUT....ONE MORE TIME.....

There is a WORLDWIDE Pandemic going on. I will leave it at that. If you can't figure it out from here then this country DESERVES to be in the crapper which is exactly where it is going.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

SDSU has some parties. State rules will close us back down.


https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...e-yet/2405996/

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...-data/2406666/

I'm actually surprised (in a good way) that the county is asking to exempt the SDSU cases. If policy is to be shaped by "science", the fact is we isolated and addressed a specific vector represented by the cases on that campus. There's no reason why it should affect operations county-wide. It makes no sense to keep dropping nukes on the entire population when we can fix individual outbreaks.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CNYC

We WILL eventually be back on lockdown thanks to idiots who don't follow safety protocols. THE SAME idiots who are complaining about businesses not being open.

I am running out of steam. Stupidity has zapped me of my energy.

BUT....ONE MORE TIME.....

There is a WORLDWIDE Pandemic going on. I will leave it at that. If you can't figure it out from here then this country DESERVES to be in the crapper which is exactly where it is going.

Well, voting for a deranged sociopathic lying POTUS can easily result in that. Welcome to a pandemic and lockdowns that could have been nipped in the bud last February.

[DaCounselor]

To be fair SD County has done pretty well overall with the main problem being South County border area, and now SDSU. SD is surrounded by a sea of purple tier counties. I doubt Newsom will grant relief to the county and exclude the SDSU numbers from the tally as requested, which if done would keep us in the red tier. I understand the frustration of people in say Carlsbad who are facing more restrictions because of SDSU 35 miles away and very little connection. We could see enormous local pressure to shut down the campus and also delay UCSD in order to not let the college numbers cause the whole county to shut down.

[CNYC]

Health
The CDC Director Just Shocked Everyone With This One Sentence
Richard Evans
Best LifeWed, September 16, 2020, 9:45 AM PDT
We've long known that face masks are an essential tool in slowing the spread of COVID-19, and that their widespread use has had a dramatic impact on the coronavirus pandemic in the U.S. At the same time, many people have been holding out hope that the development of a COVID vaccine will be able to help the country contain the outbreak once and for all, and eventually return us to normalcy. But at a Senate committee hearing on Sept. 16, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert R. Redfield, MD, relayed a shocking reality check: Masks may offer more effective protection from COVID than a vaccine.

"We have clear scientific evidence they work," Redfield said of face coverings. "This face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID-19 than when I take a COVID vaccine."

Redfield also called face masks "the most powerful public health tool we have." "I appeal to all Americans to embrace these face coverings," he added.

Doctor in protective suit work on vaccine against covid19 virus
Doctor in protective suit work on vaccine against covid19 virus
The idea that face masks are incredibly useful in mitigating the spread of the virus is not news, but the notion that they could ultimately be more important than a vaccine is certain to change the way many people think about the future of the pandemic. After all, the potential COVID-19 vaccine is often discussed as the way that life will return to how it was in early 2020. Anthony Fauci, MD, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, recently described returning to theaters—sans masks—as something that might be possible a year after a vaccine is developed.

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But it's important to note that any talk of a vaccine is still theoretical: There are multiple vaccines in development, and whichever we end up with may not be as effective as experts hope it will be. In fact, it's likely that the COVID vaccine will not prevent infection entirely, but will instead decrease the likelihood of getting sick, and of developing a severe infection.

To put things in perspective, a July study from the University of California, Davis found that face masks may decrease your own risk of contracting COVID by 65 percent. (Masks are even more useful at preventing those around you from getting sick, if you are a carrier.) And while scientists are hoping to develop a coronavirus vaccine that's 75 percent effective, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) will authorize a vaccine that is only 50 percent effective.

With that in mind, Redfield's words make some sense—the proven effectiveness of masks in keeping us safe from coronavirus may actually make them a more important tool in COVID containment than a vaccine, which is still a major unknown. Nevertheless, it's a shocking statement to consider, especially for people who have been looking to the COVID vaccine as the end of the pandemic, or perhaps, at least, the end of needing to wear masks. And for more guidance from the CDC, 40 Percent of COVID Patients Went Here Before Getting Sick, CDC Says.