Goodnight San Francisco, is anyone celebrating the new Presidnent ? (Berkeley: renting, hotels)

[HockeyMac18]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

I don't think it's a deliberate conspiracy but it's no secret that about 90% of journalists are democrats/liberals. They're all for diversity, as long as it's not political diversity.

These are two VERYYYYYY different points. Did you even read the post I was replying to?

Bias in the media is not what is being discussed...this is conspiracy level BS that's being pushed. As if all of the media is "in on it". I agree that their biases may have blinded them to many things that they missed - and their data models were WAAAAY off (embarassingly off in many cases). But bad data and having inherent biases is not the same thing as what I was replying to.

Please don't confuse the two points.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I'll ignore your "plantation" argument, it's really too retarded to spend anymore time on.

But I'll give you that we do not really know if Trump is indeed a racist, even if he is paying thousands of minorities a good wage so they can live their lives, but IMO it's hard to argue that point based on the evidence we do know. It's certainly not without doubt that someone can say it nonchalantly and not look like a complete fool while doing so.

In fact, there is far more evidence Hillary is racist based on 1990s views on black criminals. That seemed very tinged with racism to me.

Well I guess Marge Schott wasn't racist because how good black baseball players were paid....

I don't really care who you think is more racist, it was simply about your argument that because Trumps companies employ minorities that automatically prevents him from being racist. Just terrible reasoning there.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by sav858

Well I guess Marge Schott wasn't racist because how good black baseball players were paid....

I don't really care who you think is more racist, it was simply about your argument that because Trumps companies employ minorities that automatically prevents him from being racist. Just terrible reasoning there.

Umm no, Marge Schott was ACTUALLY racist because she collected Nazi memorabilia and called Jews "sneaky" and black ball players "rich ******s". There's clear evidence that Marge Schott was indeed racist.

AFAIK, Trump has never ever been accused by anyone close to him of saying such terrible things. So accusing him of being racist is just a childish attack born out of ignorance IMO.

[The Media Is A Joke]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I never said he's doing it "out of the goodness" of his heart, but if he was a true "racist" it would be very easy for him to not hire muslims, blacks, and other minorities he supposedly hates. I employ 70+ people at my company, I can't overtly say "I'm not hiring you because you're wearing a hijab" but I could easily say "not qualified for the position" (if I was a racist, I actually employ 4 Muslims at my own company).

Employment is a voluntary contract between worker and employer. The worker agrees to accept a pay rate in return for their labor and skills. That's why comparing legal employment to a slave plantation is retarded. It's not the same concept at all.

Also, when you say "greater benefit" [for Trump], what you really mean is "higher compensation", and what's wrong with that? Trump's the guy who put up all of his capital for risk. Have you ever tried to start a business? (let's skip that, we know the answer is no)

There's a huge (yuuuggge) risk when putting up one's own capital to fund a business venture. For that risk, Trump is properly compensated, and for their labor, the worker is compensated. If the worker wants to get the type of compensation Trump is getting, then they can get together $150,000,000, build a team, and hire workers to build a 5 star resort that people will want to go to and spend money at. But that worker also takes all the risk of possibly losing $150,000,000 and going bust. Not everyone is cut out for entrepreneurship. It's not easy.

But hey, this isn't business 101, and I'm not your daddy, so go ahead and keep comparing modern day employment to "plantation labor". But doing so makes you appear to be a complete fool. Understand that.

You're bragging about low skill wage labor workers as if it's some big cumbaya that he's employing them. Nobody else wants to clean hotel rooms and do those jobs. Who typically does those jobs? You think he'll find a bunch of White Americans to do them? He has little to no people of color in high position positions in his businesses. Of course you'd prefer non whites cleaning the floors and paying them a low wage.

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Yeah, Trump only became racist once he decided to run against your savior Hillary. Let's forget the fact that he has employed thousands of latinos, blacks, and muslims, put a paycheck in their pocket every month, and helped support all of their children, and other family members.

Oh wait, that doesn't fit into your race baiting agenda.

Trump engaged in racist renting policies in the 70's and had to pay a civil settlement
David duke considers this election the greatest victory of the white nationalist movement.david duke does not support trump for no reason

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Umm no, Marge Schott was ACTUALLY racist because she collected Nazi memorabilia and called Jews "sneaky" and black ball players "rich ******s". There's clear evidence that Marge Schott was indeed racist.

AFAIK, Trump has never ever been accused by anyone close to him of saying such terrible things. So accusing him of being racist is just a childish attack born out of ignorance IMO.

But she provided black families with food, shelter, housing, etc... therefore using your logic she is not racist because she did those things.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by sav858

But she provided black families with food, shelter, housing, etc... therefore using your logic she is not racist because she did those things.

Yes she also called them "******s". There is that little detail that you seem to keep forgetting.

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Yes she also called them "******s". There is that little detail that you seem to keep forgetting.

So using profane and racists language makes you racist? You can engage in illegal hiring and rental policies against people of color as long as you don't use the n word ?

[gemstone1]

"Yes she also called them "******s"." Got that on tape do you ? Anybody ?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Yes she also called them "******s". There is that little detail that you seem to keep forgetting.

I'm not forgetting it but it shows even if someone is truly racist, which she arguably is, they still will hire minorities if they can benefit from them which you claimed they wouldn't.