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Old 08-10-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Originally Posted by TCROX View Post
A few ENORMOUS areas encompassing most of the area --- where are the nearest military bases we could get the vagrants and mentally ill to so they can get sobered up and sorted out ???...showers, food, supervised care...better than just giving the money to "public servants" and "vendors" and having this awful mess get even worse at the hands of the greedy "advocates" PLUS far more humane than what the liberals are doing to everyone..
More repetitive hilarity from you TC. Good question: where ARE the nearest bases you could intern the mentally ill and vagrants?

Well, your question highlights your total lack of understanding law, homelessness, and the military all three.

1. There are no “nearest military bases” with available facilities as you describe. All military base housing is either used for ... wait for it ... military personnel, or has been converted to revenue-producing rentals for military MWR. (Don’t know what MWR is TC?). Underutilized barracks in most bases have long been converted to hotel rooms rented to retired military and personnel in transit or attending business on base. The rates are not cheap either! For example, San Diego conversions rent upwards over $100 a night for the most part (exception being at MCRD Marine Corps Recruit Depot where some old rooms remain available to recruit familes and personnel for low rates so families can enjoy their recruits’ graduation ceremonies). (Know how I know this stuff TC? ... waiting for your next accusation about me “making stuff up”!) ...

2. Military facilities are secure. They will not allow citizens on board to run freely about ... you know, as the constitution guarantees? The only military facilities that can be utilized would be as internment camps with occupants under guard ... you know, like for illegals and enemy combatants ... because they would be non-citizen prisoners.

So, no. There aren’t any facilities available. And no, if there were, they couldn’t be used for internment of free American citizens. Maybe if you got busy and changed the constitution?
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:52 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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What a complete dump San Francisco is. Unfortunately I had to travel there for work. First time there and it will be the last. The combat areas I served in Iraq and Afghanistan were cleaner and the people more civil. I've been all over and San Fran is the most disgusting city I've ever seen.
You may have been “all over” ... but you clearly haven’t been “all over” San Francisco, because by far the City is not infested by the homeless and associated detritus ... probably in excess of 90% of the City’s area is unaffected.

That said, some of the prime tourist and civic areas are, regrettably, among the hardest hit. This the source of the bad press and reputation.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Cole Valley, CA
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...probably in excess of 90% of the City’s area is unaffected.
Say what now?
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Say what now?
San Francisco homeless population: 7500
San Francisco city population: 870,000

% of total population that is homeless: .0086

So you tell the readers how .0086% of the population has overrun 870,000 residents in 47 square miles. Go ahead. We’re on the edge of of chairs ...
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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So 7500 people who are enabled with free food and needles and allowed to run amok have ruined the reputation of a successful thriving beautiful city. And all anyone is doing is throwing more free stuff at them and scooping their poop. No wonder the situation is just getting worse.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Cole Valley, CA
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San Francisco homeless population: 7500
San Francisco city population: 870,000

% of total population that is homeless: .0086

So you tell the readers how .0086% of the population has overrun 870,000 residents in 47 square miles. Go ahead. We’re on the edge of of chairs ...
Citing populations is a red herring when we're speaking of the areas of the city.

Reread your quote again. You said that "probably in excess of 90% of the City’s area is unaffected". That's way off of any reasonable assessment of the situation. Look at SF in Google Maps and determine which areas are unaffected - you'll have an awfully tough time getting over 90%.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:10 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Citing populations is a red herring when we're speaking of the areas of the city.

Reread your quote again. You said that "probably in excess of 90% of the City’s area is unaffected". That's way off of any reasonable assessment of the situation. Look at SF in Google Maps and determine which areas are unaffected - you'll have an awfully tough time getting over 90%.
is it? Let’s do numbers ...

SF population: 870,000
SF area: 47 sq mi
SF pop density: 18,679 per square mile

27,878,400 square feet in each square mile

1,492.5 sq ft per SF resident.

Now, you tell the readers how many square feet you think the typical / average homeless person occupies.

I’m looking at maybe a 60 or so square foot tent (at most), plus throw in a shopping cart for another 6 sq ft ... sprawl (including dog with bowl) for maybe double that all?

So where are we at now? 132 square feet per? 1/10th the space of the average density.

Hmmm ... that comes out just about 90% housed ... 10% homeless ... generously.

10% of 47 square miles is 4.7 square miles of homeless encampments. Lump your most affected areas together ... got nearly 5 sq mi? Doubt it.

Unless you want to argue that a few random homeless wandering through the majority of SF neighborhoods signifcantly “affect” the quality of those neighborhoods ... I think my numbers are good.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:52 PM
 
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Hope for the vagrants and mentally ill!
President Trump is pushing the greedy ineffective California "public servants " out of the way to get stuff done!
The door is wide open for federal assistance in getting this liberal "homeless " mess cleaned up!
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/En...d-13143791.php
Boy that pig mayor in Chicago better hope for a quiet weekend- many are calling for the national guard!
Great idea for rounding up those that are making a huge environmental disaster in SF and elsewhere
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:32 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Hope for the vagrants and mentally ill!
President Trump is pushing the greedy ineffective California "public servants " out of the way to get stuff done!
The door is wide open for federal assistance in getting this liberal "homeless " mess cleaned up!
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/En...d-13143791.php
Boy that pig mayor in Chicago better hope for a quiet weekend- many are calling for the national guard!
Great idea for rounding up those that are making a huge environmental disaster in SF and elsewhere
Too funny TC ... did you even read what you just linked? This thread is about homelessness ... you linked a story about Trump ridiculing California over its water supplies being misappropriated causing - somehow in Trump’s uniquely bizarre mind - the fires and limiting the state’s abilities to fight them ... However, the article goes on to quote CalFire officials to say:
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California, however, says it does not need any more water. In response to the Commerce Department directive, the state's Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, otherwise known as Cal Fire, said Wednesday that there has been "no shortage of water supplies,
Time for your next Q’Anon video selection dude ...
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:50 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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So 7500 people who are enabled with free food and needles and allowed to run amok have ruined the reputation of a successful thriving beautiful city. And all anyone is doing is throwing more free stuff at them and scooping their poop. No wonder the situation is just getting worse.
Finper ... the homeless situation in SF has definitely hurt its reputation. Correct. But let’s consider your association of cause with “free food and needles”.

Since free needle exchange and distribution can be found in well over 100 cities (I think the number is in excess of 160) in 32 states where reputations have not similarly been tarnished ...

And since programs feeding the homeless exist in pretty much every city where there are homeless ...

... then those two factors wouldn’t be uniquely destructive for San Francisco. Right?

SF’s issue is the number of unsheltered homeless being very high, and their having taken very visible and interruptive occupancy of central tourism and civic venues ...
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