The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (vouchers, to move)

[DeanoSF]

Anybody who thinks San Francisco is becoming Detroit must only get his news from City-Data.

There's a problem here, sure. It's no worse than I've seen in any other city I've visited. It is a bit more concentrated in a smaller area and the disparity from one block to the next, in some instances, with no discernible boundary between million-dollar+ condos and street life is jarring, but poor is poor and homeless is homeless. SF is not better than any other city its size (I agree that it should be, given its incredible wealth), but it's not worse in my observation, either.

[WizardOfRadical]

Thos problem is all over CA

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by DeanoSF

Anybody who thinks San Francisco is becoming Detroit must only get his news from City-Data.

There's a problem here, sure. It's no worse than I've seen in any other city I've visited. It is a bit more concentrated in a smaller area and the disparity from one block to the next, in some instances, with no discernible boundary between million-dollar+ condos and street life is jarring, but poor is poor and homeless is homeless. SF is not better than any other city its size (I agree that it should be, given its incredible wealth), but it's not worse in my observation, either.

The liberals in wealthy areas should welcome the homeless into their homes rather than the neighborhoods of others.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What exactly did Giuliani do about homelessness?\

At a minimum he displaced them so that they were out of sight. This is an offensive concept for left wing liberals but in reality removing them from subways, sidewalks and stoops had the effect of promoting civility and order and reducing crime, which led to investment and increased economic activity and benefited everyone - except the homeless of course.

The reality is that most of the homeless will always be homeless for one reason or another whether it be drug dependence, mental illness, or past trauma. Every once in a while you hear this story of the homeless guy spotted that had an impressive talent or fall from grace. People donate to him and he gets cleaned up, only to burn through all those resources and end up right back on the street.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

At a minimum he displaced them so that they were out of sight. This is an offensive concept for left wing liberals but in reality removing them from subways, sidewalks and stoops had the effect of promoting civility and order and reducing crime, which led to investment and increased economic activity and benefited everyone - except the homeless of course.

The reality is that most of the homeless will always be homeless for one reason or another whether it be drug dependence, mental illness, or past trauma. Every once in a while you hear this story of the homeless guy spotted that had an impressive talent or fall from grace. People donate to him and he gets cleaned up, only to burn through all those resources and end up right back on the street.

Displaced them? He didn't do crap...he had tons of them arrested and kicked out of shelters and the homeless population went from 23,000 to 30,000 while he was Mayor. I already posted info on his 'accomplishments'

You can't simply remove people from a City just 'because', they have to be breaking a law. Sleeping in public can be illegal IF and only if there is shelter space nearby and they refuse it in which case you can arrest them.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

At a minimum he displaced them so that they were out of sight. This is an offensive concept for left wing liberals but in reality removing them from subways, sidewalks and stoops had the effect of promoting civility and order and reducing crime, which led to investment and increased economic activity and benefited everyone - except the homeless of course.

The reality is that most of the homeless will always be homeless for one reason or another whether it be drug dependence, mental illness, or past trauma. Every once in a while you hear this story of the homeless guy spotted that had an impressive talent or fall from grace. People donate to him and he gets cleaned up, only to burn through all those resources and end up right back on the street.

Ah. Good. ... was waiting for the ‘reveal’, and here it is. So now we read that BlakeJones thinks in terms of partisanship ... it’s about the evils of “left-wing liberals!” ... Why am I not surprised ...

BlakeJones also reveals s/he knows pretty much nothing about the homeless ... since, for instance, on average about 75% of “homeless” are homeless for less than a year. In fact, average time homeless runs about 2 months.

Fwiw, BlakeJones, the chronically homeless are the sub-population you profile ... and yes, the answer is to get them off the street - within the bounds of constitutionally supported laws. San Francisco, like other California cities, has not done a good job of sheltering the chronic populations. This sad reality, however, is not a result of poor policing.

[BlakeJones]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Ah. Good. ... was waiting for the ‘reveal’, and here it is. So now we read that BlakeJones thinks in terms of partisanship ... it’s about the evils of “left-wing liberals!” ... Why am I not surprised .

If you must know I'm fiercely independent and call it how it is for both sides of the spectrum. But if you don't think the disaster unfolding in SF is based in liberal ideology I have a bridge to sell you!!

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by BlakeJones

If you must know I'm fiercely independent and call it how it is for both sides of the spectrum. But if you don't think the disaster unfolding in SF is based in liberal ideology I have a bridge to sell you!!

Well Blake, right, left, or independent - you went to both partisanship and mythology ... which demonstrates you aren’t educated to the topic. Homelessness isn’t particularly partisan as many non-homeless like to assume. Good homeless management protocols and programs have come from both conservative and liberal governments and organizations.

Furthermore, the “disaster unfolding” in SF isn’t exactly “unfolding”. It’s been around for a very long time, the numbers haven’t been increasing in the past couple years (just the visibility), and there are now several new strategies “unfolding” as we write ... including changes in policing.

As I wrote previously, you clearly don’t know what you are talking about here.

[nowhereman427]

$77,000 salary for poop patrol

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Sleeping in public can be illegal IF and only if there is shelter space nearby and they refuse it in which case you can arrest them.

Not true...maybe here in CA that's how it is but it's not like that in other states. You need to broaden your perspectives.