The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (San Mateo: restaurant, club)

[nowhereman427]

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[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by likealady

Yeah, so long as you never set foot in the east side of the city. If you work, shop, or visit any museums anywhere near downtown good luck trying to avoid it.

As I acknowledged: it’s a nasty mess in certain areas - and which include tourist focus spots, too. Which doesn’t change my point / observation one bit. 7,600 homeless aren’t holding 900,000 residents hostage nor ruining the development / gentrification of the City. They are spoiling a minor % of the City. Which can easily be avoided. Yes, some areas some people would like to enjoy are badly affected at this time. No, shouldn’t be that way. But the comment I responded to was framing the larger City QOL as under seige and compromised. Well, not so much as to stop the growth and rise in value to the majority.

Originally Posted by alliance

Using logic and reason to counter a telemutt rant is a futile effort, but everyone else appreciates it.

And, once again, the only thing you can contribute is personal attack off topic? How very illuminating!

[likealady]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

As I acknowledged: it’s a nasty mess in certain areas - and which include tourist focus spots, too. Which doesn’t change my point / observation one bit. 7,600 homeless aren’t holding 900,000 residents hostage nor ruining the development / gentrification of the City. They are spoiling a minor % of the City. Which can easily be avoided. Yes, some areas some people would like to enjoy are badly affected at this time. No, shouldn’t be that way. But the comment I responded to was framing the larger City QOL as under seige and compromised. Well, not so much as to stop the growth and rise in value to the majority.

See, you keep saying this, which is a contradiction. No you cannot easily avoid it. Do you understand the sheer amount of people who come into the city via the first 4 BART stations? The ferry? Are you aware of the thousands of people coming in for jobs in those areas every day? Do you not understand why they rebuilt a multi-billion dollar transit station and a 61 story Salesforce tower? Did you also not know that Facebook is/will be renting out 75% of one of the buildings next to it? How about the high rises going up in SOMA...

And again, do you think those people never go out for a walk, coffee, or lunch during their 40 hours a week at the office? Do you think they just teleport from their homes to the office?

And outside those hours, do you think people don't visit MoMA, Asian Art Museum, the symphony, SHN Golden Gate Theater, ACT, or the public library? How about the music venues: GAMH, Slim's, The Warfield, Regency Ballroom, Bill Graham Civic Auditorium- most of which are located in these affected areas. Heck Amoeba Music is in a grungy area of The Haight, not far from the entrance of GGP and McDonald's where all those low-life hooligans hang out. I'm not even mentioning The Mission. And if you don't work in these areas, well then God bless your soul, you probably don't get harassed during lunch. However, many of those people probably take MUNI, BART, or a rideshare through these affected areas so it's not like they never see it.

But you're right, it's not affecting the growth... because for the high salary most will suck it up or learn to avoid/ignore the problem. It's how you get ahead in life, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm tired of being hassled every time I go outside, or worse, having to ignore other humans because it's smarter for my safety as a young woman.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by likealady

See, you keep saying this, which is a contradiction. No you cannot easily avoid it. Do you understand the sheer amount of people who come into the city via the first 4 BART stations? The ferry? Are you aware of the thousands of people coming in for jobs in those areas every day? Do you not understand why they rebuilt a multi-billion dollar transit station and a 61 story Salesforce tower? Did you also not know that Facebook is/will be renting out 75% of one of the buildings next to it? How about the high rises going up in SOMA...

And again, do you think those people never go out for a walk, coffee, or lunch during their 40 hours a week at the office? Do you think they just teleport from their homes to the office?

And outside those hours, do you think people don't visit MoMA, Asian Art Museum, the symphony, SHN Golden Gate Theater, ACT, or the public library? How about the music venues: GAMH, Slim's, The Warfield, Regency Ballroom, Bill Graham Civic Auditorium- most of which are located in these affected areas. Heck Amoeba Music is in a grungy area of The Haight, not far from the entrance of GGP and McDonald's where all those low-life hooligans hang out. I'm not even mentioning The Mission. And if you don't work in these areas, well then God bless your soul, you probably don't get harassed during lunch. However, many of those people probably take MUNI, BART, or a rideshare through these affected areas so it's not like they never see it.

But you're right, it's not affecting the growth... because for the high salary most will suck it up or learn to avoid/ignore the problem. It's how you get ahead in life, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm tired of being hassled every time I go outside, or worse, having to ignore other humans because it's smarter for my safety as a young woman.

I’ve lived in around San Francisco since the mid-1960’s. Haight, Presidio, Marina, Treasure Island ... yeah, I know who goes where in what numbers. And it’s a PITA for a bunch of people. My point is, and you just agreed at least in part, that the growth and valuation continues unabated. Meanwhile most of 900,000 residents don’t go to the symphony, MoMA, etc. the symphony and Asia Art Museum sure wished the whole population did. But they don’t.

Again, I haven’t denied a thing except the idea that downtown homelessness is destroying San Francisco QOL. It is putting a strain on some aspects for now. But with all the growth and extreme gentrification and unbelievable wealth centering in the City, this challenge will be met ... the City will not be destroyed.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TR95

No kidding. That’s more than some of the teachers make in SF. What a crime. And add up overtime pay and they’re likely topping six figures. Here’s an idea, hire six people off the streets and pay them $40k. But this is just typical spend, spend, spend and waste. Much like the Bart janitor sleeping in a storage closet getting paid over $200k. Once again, great job SF!

San Francisco does not hire or manage BART employees, that is a function of the Bay Area Rapid Transit which is headquartered in Oakland

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by likealady

Yeah, so long as you never set foot in the east side of the city. If you work, shop, or visit any museums anywhere near downtown good luck trying to avoid it.

sure thing...and if I remember correctly you are the poster who smells urine everywhere you go in San Francisco There have been visible homeless on the streets in San Francisco for a very, very long time. The numbers increased tremendously in the late 90's when the SROs started disappearing but to this day the visible homeless in San Francisco are in a few areas, they are not all over the City. My husband worked at 5th and Mission in the 90's and the sidewalks and gutters were full of excrement every morning so don't make this out to be some new phenomenon.

Getting the homeless off the streets is going to be tough, but providing more public restrooms would go a long way toward solving the problem of people using the sidewalk for a toilet. I was at the Ferry building a few months ago and there were probably 20 people in line to use the restroom but when a person who looked like they were homeless got in line they were escorted out of the building by private security guards.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I’ve lived in around San Francisco since the mid-1960’s. Haight, Presidio, Marina, Treasure Island ... yeah, I know who goes where in what numbers. And it’s a PITA for a bunch of people. My point is, and you just agreed at least in part, that the growth and valuation continues unabated. Meanwhile most of 900,000 residents don’t go to the symphony, MoMA, etc. the symphony and Asia Art Museum sure wished the whole population did. But they don’t.

I would agree with this! I lived in SF for five years, and the only time I set foot in a museum or Davies Hall was when I performed there (with the Community Women's Orchestra + SF Gay Men's Choir). And if a classical musician like me doesn't avail themselves of all the "cultural offerings," it's unlikely that your average city-dweller does either.

FYI: I lived in Silver Terrace for 3 years, and near Lake Merced for 2 years. Mostly I just stayed in those corners of the city, and my idea of "venturing out" was getting burritos in the lower Mission. I spent the majority of my free time outside with my dog, in places like Fort Funston, Bernal Hill, McLaren Park, etc; and usually shopped in Daly City or SSF. That's probably more typical of a San Francisco resident, while the cultural/downtown activities are primarily for visitors. And not everyone who works in SF is based downtown, either. My work locations were near my home, in the Portola and Vis Valley neighborhoods. We had our share of homeless folks in those areas, but overall the streets were relatively clean.

[carolochs]

Clearly futile.
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[TR95]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

San Francisco does not hire or manage BART employees, that is a function of the Bay Area Rapid Transit which is headquartered in Oakland

Yes, sure, but it is managed by a BOD that includes the surrounding counties, one of which is SF, so my point stands, but thanks for playing.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TR95

Yes, sure, but it is managed by a BOD that includes the surrounding counties, one of which is SF, so my point stands, but thanks for playing.

You just confirmed what I said, thanks for admitting you were wrong