The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (Oakland: bill, ferry)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by carolochs

I disagree. It IS worse, and has been becoming so rapidly! I guess it depends on how you measure or perceive, and how in-touch you are with other parts of the city.

I live in the suburbs approx. 9 miles outside downtown SD and there's a distinct uptick in transients/homeless and activity, certainly in District 7 (Navajo, Allied Gardens, Del Cerro, San Carlos area), that has never been as widespread as it has become particularly in the last year. I live on a mesa off Waring Rd. surrounded by canyons, and a week never goes by *now* that police helicopters aren't circling the canyons, spotlights out, identifying homeless campfires, chasing down thieves who hope to disappear into the canyon. The canyon "Navajo Park" used to be a pleasant hike spot for neighbors; now not many would be caught dead hiking through there for what you might come upon. It was just two years ago a transient hiked out of the canyon up a hill to Del Cerro and raped two women in their home, murdered one. Maybe you didn't get that news all the way down in the Midway area. Our local shopping center now has homeless and their shopping carts sitting on the sidewalks of the center all the time, pushing carts up surrounding streets, riding those *free* bikes loaded down with their belongings, when we only used to see this rarely. A homeless man in a battered old camper and his cohorts (suspected of dealing drugs) tries to park in the parking lot and is repeatedly being asked to leave, but keeps coming back. Theft, car breakins are the worst any of us ever remember based on nextdoor.com The non-pavement easement alley between homes on my own street used to be a pleasant hike with dogs, green and scattered with wildflowers. Now it's littered with needles, used condoms, feces, and remnants of overnight shelters.

Sure....homelessness isn't wall-to-wall (as I never said it was), but it IS getting worse and the pockets where it does exist, or has moved to, makes those seeing it, all the more aware. In EVERY city...not just SF, and no...just the dregs streets of SD. Our beautiful lil' Beaver Cleaver community is nowhere near the same as it used to be, and that can largely be chalked up to the homeless/transient effect. If you choose not to believe it....come visit.

Well I do agree the problem is worsening - everywhere. I just don’t think hyperbole is helpful. Good luck with your Beaver Cleaver community problems, really.

[carolochs]

Just being real. Defending city image by making it sound like it isn't so bad doesn't serve anyone.
(I don't personally consider rape and murder by a transient "Beaver Cleaver community problems" ...DO YOU? )

[janellen]

San Francisco needs to invest in $70 grand's worth of these little beauties. What a great invention. I know, it's meant for dogs, but poop is poop, albeit human smells a lot worse and can be runnier (sheesh, the things we eat); however, just check out how this critter picks up runny chilli.







You guys in SF have my sympathy. Even though my podunk town is called Tijuana del Norte, I have never seen human poop or needles anywhere they don't belong. Hope you folks can find a soluttion.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by carolochs

Just being real. Defending city image by making it sound like it isn't so bad doesn't serve anyone.

I’m not concerned with city image of any town. The problem is growing everywhere and is serious enough without fear mongering, which makes people more antagonistic toward each other while this gets sorted out ... which is going to take a lot of time.

7600 homeless are not holding 900,000 San Franciscans hostage.
9600 homeless are not holding 3.3 million San Diegans hostage either.

... except mentally.

[Dapper Zoom]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I’m not concerned with city image of any town. The problem is growing everywhere and is serious enough without fear mongering, which makes people more antagonistic toward each other while this gets sorted out ... which is going to take a lot of time.

7600 homeless are not holding 900,000 San Franciscans hostage.
9600 homeless are not holding 3.3 million San Diegans hostage either.

... except mentally.

They may not be holding hostage, but they are decreasing quality of life for the "regular" citizens of these places.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Dapper Zoom

They may not be holding hostage, but they are decreasing quality of life for the "regular" citizens of these places.

Pretty odd point of view given the wealth, culture and diversity of the City and its housed residents’ qualities of life. It’s a mess ... but one that seems to have not slowed the ridiculous gentrification one bit ... just created a couple no-man’s land zones, out of which spill the faceless denizens the residents hate to see and acknowledge.

[Dapper Zoom]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Pretty odd point of view given the wealth, culture and diversity of the City and its housed residents’ qualities of life. It’s a mess ... but one that seems to have not slowed the ridiculous gentrification one bit ... just created a couple no-man’s land zones, out of which spill the faceless denizens the residents hate to see and acknowledge.

You think that suggesting feces and syringe covered streets and ranting, drug crazed people reduce quality of life is an odd point of view? Please do tell.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Dapper Zoom

You think that suggesting feces and syringe covered streets and ranting, drug crazed people reduce quality of life is an odd point of view? Please do tell.

No. I agree those are gross unpleasantries ... that are quite avoidable most of the time by most of the City’s 900,000 residents. I’m not glossing over them a bit. I’m pointing out that the City remains vibrant and remarkable in spite of them.

[likealady]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

No. I agree those are gross unpleasantries ... that are quite avoidable most of the time by most of the City’s 900,000 residents.

Yeah, so long as you never set foot in the east side of the city. If you work, shop, or visit any museums anywhere near downtown good luck trying to avoid it.

[alliance]

Originally Posted by likealady

Yeah, so long as you never set foot in the east side of the city. If you work, shop, or visit any museums anywhere near downtown good luck trying to avoid it.

Using logic and reason to counter a telemutt rant is a futile effort, but everyone else appreciates it.