11-01-2013, 11:05 PM
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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Well, if it is technically the average, that would mean that most are that expensive, but actually, in the context of real estate, "average" usually refers to the median, which would mean half are above that figure and half below (the problem with using the actual arithmetic mean is, doing it that way, a property with an extremely high value would distort the result).
Look at all these 2 bedroom apartments in Silicon Valley under 2300 (1,298 of them, 328 of which are between 1100 and 1800).
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Half are under, so you're saying everyone should rent the bottom half of available apartments and leave the rest vacant?
I'm not making a judgement on who should be able to afford what (that's a wider political discussion), however, I do think people should be fiscally conservative. Take your take home pay (net pay deposited in your account each time) and divide that by three. The money you spend on housing should be less than that number, significantly less is preferred.
So, is it impossible to afford a two bedroom dwelling (a couple and one child), in Silicon Valley, when your net pay per month is 4702.50, as described in the first post of the thread? I say no. If your net pay is 4702.50 your housing payment should be 4702.50/3 or 1567.50 per month. As I demonstrated above, many two bedroom dwellings are available in the area (Santa Clara County) for that price. Plus you can always live in San Francisco or the Peninsula and commute to work from there also. So you should have about $1500 or left over if you have the expenses outlined in the original post, and a rent/mortgage of about 1567.
And, I did identify a place in Evergreen that has under 2000 as the estimated monthly mortgage payment. I do not think Evergreen is a slum or "ghetto".
11-03-2013, 09:04 AM
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The average household income in San Jose is about 90,000 dollars - so someone making 90,000 dollars (if they are single, or in a single income household) is exactly average in San Jose.
11-03-2013, 07:41 PM
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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The average household income in San Jose is about 90,000 dollars - so someone making 90,000 dollars (if they are single, or in a single income household) is exactly average in San Jose.
I cannot remotely afford to spend $1100 or $2000 on rent. $2000 is more than I make in a month. I make $1312 per month, net pay after all deductions. So compare that to someone who makes 5416 per month, net pay after all deductions (90k = 5416 net). Imagine what someone in my situation must think when they read people who make five times as much as him complaining that they are barely getting by! Clearly, those higher income people need to spend less.
1312/3 = 437 available for housing.
5416/3 = 1805 available for housing.
The 90k person can afford a two or more bedroom apartment/condo/house,
such as this four bedroom one in the Evergreen area, an excellent neighborhood in San Jose with "high performing" schools ($399k, 1533/month mortgage), or this
3 bedroom apartment in west San Jose (also good area) for $1580/month , whereas the minimum wage guy can afford one room in an apartment shared with others.
Nothing to complain about there, in my opinion.
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I'm not saying a person can't survive on 90k a year and have a nice life here,
A little late, but at least you finally admit that.
Yes, 90k a year, 65+ after taxes, is a very good income.
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if you have to support a family on 90k, it's going to be tight.
lmao uh, no. Not "tight". There are people who support a family on minimum wage. The friend at work I mentioned earlier had to do that. When he got out of the Navy, he worked as a machinist, and was very skilled at that, and did it for 20 years, but lost his job in the recession and never got another job in the field. He had to support his wife and daughter (he has six other daughters, some from another marriage, all are adults now) on the
HUD VASH program , which reduced his rent to $700 (or something like that) for a three bedroom, which, as you can see above, is half his income at minimum wage. So if he could do that, others should be able to get by quite well on five times the income. If they can't, they are making fiscal management mistakes.
11-04-2013, 11:28 AM
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I cannot remotely afford to spend $1100 or $2000 on rent. $2000 is more than I make in a month. I make $1312 per month, net pay after all deductions. So compare that to someone who makes 5416 per month, net pay after all deductions (90k = 5416 net). Imagine what someone in my situation must think when they read people who make five times as much as him complaining that they are barely getting by! Clearly, those higher income people need to spend less.
1312/3 = 437 available for housing.
5416/3 = 1805 available for housing.
The 90k person can afford a two or more bedroom apartment/condo/house,
such as this four bedroom one in the Evergreen area, an excellent neighborhood in San Jose with "high performing" schools ($399k, 1533/month mortgage), or this
3 bedroom apartment in west San Jose (also good area) for $1580/month , whereas the minimum wage guy can afford one room in an apartment shared with others.
Nothing to complain about there, in my opinion.
Why not? The cost of living here is such that the lifestyle 90k buys is much less than what 90k buys in most other parts of the U.S.
A little late, but at least you finally admit that.
Yes, 90k a year, 65+ after taxes, is a very good income.
I never denied it, what I have issue with is your assertion that it is a lot of money. It isn't, not here. That income isn't even enough to afford the mortgage on a median priced house (and as someone looking at houses, you'll be hard pressed to find a nice SFH under 600k, especially if you want good schools, odds are we're going to have to spend 800k on a house that would probably go for 250k in many other places).
lmao uh, no. Not "tight". There are people who support a family on minimum wage. The friend at work I mentioned earlier had to do that. When he got out of the Navy, he worked as a machinist, and was very skilled at that, and did it for 20 years, but lost his job in the recession and never got another job in the field. He had to support his wife and daughter (he has six other daughters, some from another marriage, all are adults now) on the
HUD VASH program , which reduced his rent to $700 (or something like that) for a three bedroom, which, as you can see above, is half his income at minimum wage. So if he could do that, others should be able to get by quite well on five times the income. If they can't, they are making fiscal management mistakes.
People on minimum wage get free health care, subsidized housing, free food, subsidized utilities (power, cell, internet, cable tv, etc), not to mention things like earned income credit. Making it on minimum wage isn't really can't be compared to the middle class. The middle class is stuck paying for themselves and the person on minimum wage.
In fact, many people have observed that in many parts of the bay area, you have to either be poor or rich to afford to live there, the middle class gets squeezed out.
San Jose is one of the least affordable city in the United States, when income is compared to cost of living.
10 least affordable cities to buy a home - San Jose (6) - CNNMoney
11-05-2013, 11:56 AM
Location: "Silicon Valley" (part of San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA)
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People on minimum wage get free health care, subsidized housing, free food, subsidized utilities (power, cell, internet, cable tv, etc), not to mention things like earned income credit.
The only one of those things I get is free health care and only because I earned it risking my life for this country. Most people making minimum wage don't get free health care unless you count the ER. Food stamps, well if you have a full time job on minimum wage you don't qualify. Subsidized housing, sure but not to the point that you can afford it as easily as someone making 90k, or 65k after taxes. Richard got a three bedroom house through HUD VASH but he was still paying half his income. Someone who makes 90k can pay for a three bedroom with less than 1/3 of their income and no subsidy.
11-05-2013, 01:52 PM
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The only one of those things I get is free health care and only because I earned it risking my life for this country. Most people making minimum wage don't get free health care unless you count the ER. Food stamps, well if you have a full time job on minimum wage you don't qualify. Subsidized housing, sure but not to the point that you can afford it as easily as someone making 90k, or 65k after taxes. Richard got a three bedroom house through HUD VASH but he was still paying half his income. Someone who makes 90k can pay for a three bedroom with less than 1/3 of their income and no subsidy.
I'm not saying it's as easy or nice. I'm saying that you can't compare a subsidized lifestyle to a non-subsidized lifestyle.
11-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Free health care? Do tell. I wouldn't necessarily call going to the emergency room a freebie.
Subsidized housing? If you're talking Section 8, there is a very long waiting list for that.
Free food? Well, if you're talking about TANF, it just got cut.
Yes, there are some assistance available for people on low incomes, but I hope you're not insinuating that it's a gravy train or a picnic in the park for poor folks...because it's definitely not, even with the assistance programs, which are meager and getting more so.
11-05-2013, 05:24 PM
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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SNAP took a blow from Congress:
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The Nov. 1 benefit cuts "will be close to catastrophic for many people," said Ross Fraser, a spokesman for Feeding America, the nation's largest domestic hunger-relief charity, which estimates that this week's SNAP reduction will result in a loss of nearly 2 billion meals for poor families next year.
Millions on food stamps facing benefits cuts - CBS News
11-05-2013, 05:31 PM
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Free health care? Do tell. I wouldn't necessarily call going to the emergency room a freebie.
No, I was pointing out that when you say a person lives on minimum wage, that's not necessarily the whole picture, once government benefits and tax credits are factored in.
11-05-2013, 06:34 PM
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Many apartments have mandatory affordable units. That just pushes the regular rent higher for people who don't qualify. So yes, it makes a difference whether you are subsidized or not.
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Free health care? Do tell. I wouldn't necessarily call going to the emergency room a freebie.
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Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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