Living a long healthy life without a doctor (winter, doctors, costs)

[jimboburnsy]

I can certainly understand the sentiments guys, but people who take pride in never seeking medical care, particularly in the second 40+, are usually the people who get surprised by strokes, heart attacks and who succomb to malignancy in the form of common cancers that are often quite manageable like bladder, skin and (sometimes) colon.

I just can't come around to thinking that it's a good idea to go through the high risk years not knowing what may be killing you and may be easy to fix.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by Nor'Eastah

As Thoreau once wrote, if we cannot control our few square feet of flesh, how are we to control anything?

Great quote. So true and applicable to our modern times for sure.

Originally Posted by Nor'Eastah

"And in those days men shall seek death and not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." - Revelation 9:6.

A very chilling prophecy. One wonders how this will come about and if it's already in the works. This prophecy scares me more than if it would have stated, "And in those days men shall seek life and have it taken from them; and shall desire to live, and life shall flee from them."

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I just can't come around to thinking that it's a good idea to go through the high risk years not knowing what may be killing you and may be easy to fix.

And that's fine. It is certainly your right to feel any way you want about it. The question that comes up (due to previous comments) is whether or not we as individuals have the right to govern our own bodies--more specifically, do we have the right to refuse any and all medical treatments and/or procedures? The answer has been yes over and over and over in the courts. The law traditionally says we do. However, the Health Care Slavery Act is attempting to tell us we don't. It's cloaked in the simpleton phrase that "we all have the right to health care." The problem is, it's not allowing us to partake of that so-called right if we so choose, it's mandating a condition that has previously been found unlawful over and over and over.

Personally, I'm not trying to deny anyone medical care. But god**** it, find a way to get your medical care without forcing it upon me. Do not withdraw what the Constitution states as god-given rights endowed on all men. You people are selling your souls for a halfpence. Mandated capitalism (i.e. forcing me to buy something I don't want) is not a right, it's a shackle--and that's not even considering the parts of the Health Care Slavery Act that will force medical procedures upon us.

I really think we need to reinstate and reaffirm the 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Does anyone remember the United States of America? I do. From somewhere in the history books.

[20yrsinBranson]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I can certainly understand the sentiments guys, but people who take pride in never seeking medical care, particularly in the second 40+, are usually the people who get surprised by strokes, heart attacks and who succomb to malignancy in the form of common cancers that are often quite manageable like bladder, skin and (sometimes) colon.

I just can't come around to thinking that it's a good idea to go through the high risk years not knowing what may be killing you and may be easy to fix.

Many so-called "medical concerns" are manufactured by big pharma in a bid to sell more prescriptions.

For a very, very long time acceptable blood pressure levels was generally considered to be your age plus 100, i.e. if you were 40 140/80 or 90 was ok and not considered high. These standards were "revised" in the late 1990s or early 2000 to make *any* deviation from 120/80 a candidate for hypertension meds. The only reason was to sell more drugs. Plain and simple.

20yrsinBranson

[ognend]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I can certainly understand the sentiments guys, but people who take pride in never seeking medical care, particularly in the second 40+, are usually the people who get surprised by strokes, heart attacks and who succomb to malignancy in the form of common cancers that are often quite manageable like bladder, skin and (sometimes) colon.

I just can't come around to thinking that it's a good idea to go through the high risk years not knowing what may be killing you and may be easy to fix.

I find remarkable the assumption that anything must live and survive, no matter what.

[Nor'Eastah]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

These standards were "revised" in the late 1990s or early 2000 to make *any* deviation from 120/80 a candidate for hypertension meds. The only reason was to sell more drugs. Plain and simple.

20yrsinBranson

Yep...and they've been "revised" again...to 110/70.

It's not us who are "sick"...it's the medical establishment! (And Lord, please protect me from the medically self-righteous!)

[Nor'Eastah]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

A very chilling prophecy. One wonders how this will come about and if it's already in the works. This prophecy scares me more than if it would have stated, "And in those days men shall seek life and have it taken from them; and shall desire to live, and life shall flee from them."

This quote refers to the Great Tribulation, during the End Times. It lasts 7 years and starts with The Rapture (when the faithful are delivered to Heaven) and and ends with the Second Coming.

I guess we're not quite there yet...but who knows, it could be soon!

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

Many so-called "medical concerns" are manufactured by big pharma in a bid to sell more prescriptions.

For a very, very long time acceptable blood pressure levels was generally considered to be your age plus 100, i.e. if you were 40 140/80 or 90 was ok and not considered high. These standards were "revised" in the late 1990s or early 2000 to make *any* deviation from 120/80 a candidate for hypertension meds. The only reason was to sell more drugs. Plain and simple.

20yrsinBranson

I don't disagree with that. You'll never catch me on cholesterol or blood pressure medication, for example. I honestly believe that's within the "diet and exercise" domain.

But you may find me having an annual blood screen, the occasional chest X-ray, my 40th birthday colonoscopy, an annual dermatology survey and I'm not just going to assume that I have a giant prostate if the urinary flow changes.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by ognend

I find remarkable the assumption that anything must live and survive, no matter what.

I would feel pretty stupid if I were dying from an illness that could have been easily dealt with if I had been routinely checked by a urologist, for example. Especially if my reasons for avoiding that urologist were borne out of some irrational principle.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

And that's fine. It is certainly your right to feel any way you want about it. The question that comes up (due to previous comments) is whether or not we as individuals have the right to govern our own bodies--more specifically, do we have the right to refuse any and all medical treatments and/or procedures? The answer has been yes over and over and over in the courts. The law traditionally says we do. However, the Health Care Slavery Act is attempting to tell us we don't. It's cloaked in the simpleton phrase that "we all have the right to health care." The problem is, it's not allowing us to partake of that so-called right if we so choose, it's mandating a condition that has previously been found unlawful over and over and over.

Personally, I'm not trying to deny anyone medical care. But god**** it, find a way to get your medical care without forcing it upon me. Do not withdraw what the Constitution states as god-given rights endowed on all men. You people are selling your souls for a halfpence. Mandated capitalism (i.e. forcing me to buy something I don't want) is not a right, it's a shackle--and that's not even considering the parts of the Health Care Slavery Act that will force medical procedures upon us.

I really think we need to reinstate and reaffirm the 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Does anyone remember the United States of America? I do. From somewhere in the history books.

You're right, I guess I was pushing medical care on everyone and infringing their constitutional rights.

[SifuPhil]

The way I see it (and I'm sure I'm in the minority here, as I am everywhere else), I'm 53 years old, I've done everything I wanted to do, there are no surprises left for me in life, and most importantly, I made my peace with Death a long, long time ago.

Most people, when they see Death coming up the path to their house, run and hide, lock the doors and bolt the windows and break out in fervent prayer, beseeching whatever celestial being they believe in to save them.

I'll open the door wide, turn on all the lights and fling open the windows, put on some Pink Floyd and break out the libations.

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