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In the "Which two guns..." thread, I brought up the idea of having a flintlock weapon for when brass-cased, manufactured ammo is no longer available.
Which brings me to the question of how long do you think that supplies of manufactured ammo will last after it is no longer being made? Certainly, there will be those who stocked powder and primers for re-loading, but that will be used up eventually, along with percussion caps that could be used with whatever grade of black powder that could be made in those circumstances.
Also, while the manufactured ammo is still around, it will certainly be used as currency. Do you think that it would work something like this:
.22 long rifle is the unit
3X .22 LR = 1 .25 or .32
5X .22LR = 1 .38 Spl. or .380 or 9MM
7X .22LR = 1 .45 ACP or .45 Colt or .38 Super or .44 Spl
10X .22 LR = 1 .357 Mag or .44 Mag or .20-.25 cal rifle cartridge or 20 or 12 gauge shotgun shell
15X .22LR = .270 or .30-'06 or similar rifle cartridge
Which brings me to the question of how long do you think that supplies of manufactured ammo will last after it is no longer being made?
It will always be made, after perhaps a short hiatus if things get bad enough to interrupt work for people. As long, that is, as it's legal to be sold for firearms that are still legal to own and use.
If they outlaw private firearms ownership, it won't be available for (legal) purchase. But it will still be manufactured for police and military, so you know that some will get out to the public.
I'm referring to the SHTF/"after the holocaust" situation when NOTHING is being manufactured anymore.
That will never happen. Humans started making things as soon as they existed. No matter the percentage of die-off, some industrious and knowledgeable souls will survive, and the making will go on. Might take a while before metallic cartridge ammunition is mass produced, but, given its importance, I suspect it won't be the last thing to be re-acquired. We are more efficient at killing each other with it than without it, so it ranks pretty high on the list of necessities...
That will never happen. Humans started making things as soon as they existed. No matter the percentage of die-off, some industrious and knowledgeable souls will survive, and the making will go on. Might take a while before metallic cartridge ammunition is mass produced, but, given its importance, I suspect it won't be the last thing to be re-acquired. We are more efficient at killing each other with it than without it, so it ranks pretty high on the list of necessities...
OK, but my question is stipulating that manufacture of cased ammo is not happening. Certainly, the technological situation in a SHTF/after the holocaust scenario is debatable, but given the situation of no production of cased ammo, I'd like to know how long readers think the supplies of existing ammo would last, and what sort of rates of exchange would apply to the use of ammunition as currency.
OK, but my question is stipulating that manufacture of cased ammo is not happening. Certainly, the technological situation in a SHTF/after the holocaust scenario is debatable, but given the situation of no production of cased ammo, I'd like to know how long readers think the supplies of existing ammo would last, and what sort of rates of exchange would apply to the use of ammunition as currency.
To many variables IMOP ...What is the SHTF scenario? Plague with mass die off? EMP /total extended black out?
Global Thermonuclear War?Giant asteroid strike?
To many variables IMOP ...What is the SHTF scenario? Plague with mass die off? EMP /total extended black out?
Global Thermonuclear War?Giant asteroid strike?
No need for such detail. Suffice to say that for whatever reason, cased ammunition is no longer being manufactured, with no indication that production will resume in the foreseeable future.
It will be made. However if it wasent, then who would be dumb enough to sell what they had to someone who might just turn around and kill you with it..
Anyhow. People used to buy a die set and the cartridge brass and make their own ammo. My grandfather had a set for his rifle and 44. I still have them along with a die to make the bullet jackets, molds for pouring the lead and dies for making the primers. It isnt really much and most of the Items I have were made around 1850 when there wasent much in the way of accurate machine technology.
No need for such detail. Suffice to say that for whatever reason, cased ammunition is no longer being manufactured, with no indication that production will resume in the foreseeable future.
The flints that you buy for your guns are imported from Great Britain. Where will you obtain flint in this country? Do you know how to flintknap?
ammo is one of the best things you can buy for barter IMHO. if nothing happens it will keep a long time and people always want it - should hold it's value. if we get a Democrat in office next election cycle it will fly off the shelves. i'd rather have it and not want it - then want it and not have it.
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