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You're using "logic" interchangeably with "reason", two words with different meanings. Logic has more to do with scientific thinking and critical thinking. Reason is opinionated base.
Johnny is asking for logic, you haven't provided anything but "reasons" that are your own. Skeptical thinking is fine, question, seek for the truth but skeptical thinking out of ignorance (lop-sided use of logic/ false logic) is far from seeking the truth of things.
A couple of other words, suspicion and accusation. Though I am suspicious of Miss Ye's performance, I haven't accused her of anything. As such, why am I expected to lay out an argument in hopes of satisfying you or Johnny as though I'm a lawyer in a courtroom? And invariably you're going to believe whatever you want to believe anyway. No, that's not reasonable to me. In addition to what I witnessed with my own eyes, I've provided links to those who supposedly are experts in the field which bolster my beliefs. Another just for posterity's sake: Olympic Doping Scandal Over Chinese Swimmer Grows : Discovery News If someone makes a flat-out accusation, that's a whole different ball of wax as there is some burden of proof there; but simply to have suspicions, doubts? Please.
Any dolt can add up pieces of the puzzle and suspect something is going on with Shiwen and the Chinese Swimming program in general, though many of the responses here help explain how the US without much question from it's dolt-like citizens got dragged into two meaningless (and bankrupting) wars and a wild goose chase for Weapons of Mass destruction that didn't exist.
A couple of other words, suspicion and accusation. Though I am suspicious of Miss Ye's performance, I haven't accused her of anything. As such, why am I expected to lay out an argument in hopes of satisfying you or Johnny as though I'm a lawyer in a courtroom? And invariably you're going to believe whatever you want to believe anyway. No, that's not reasonable to me. In addition to what I witnessed with my own eyes, I've provided links to those who supposedly are experts in the field which bolster my beliefs. Another just for posterity's sake: Olympic Doping Scandal Over Chinese Swimmer Grows : Discovery News If someone makes a flat-out accusation, that's a whole different ball of wax as there is some burden of proof there; but simply to have suspicions, doubts? Please.
I see, you skirt the issue I presented.
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Originally Posted by Evan702
You can try to spin things whatever way makes you feel good, but it's faulty logic. Who says that those are the only suspicions or accusations against Phelps & Bolt? Just because I have zero desire to scour the internet to continue disproving your claims doesn't mean there aren't more out there. Considering Conte's BALCO infamy and Dr. Chen's shameful association with the Chinese national teams of the 80s and 90s (Chinese Olympians subjected to routine doping), they may (or may not) have more insight into such matters than the average layperson frequenting these forums.
My logic is my own, it doesn't require your approval or acknowledgement. I'm suspicious because I'm allowed to be just as you're allowed to be Miss Ye's 'white knight'. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you. As far as why there isn't suspicion about everyone who breaks a world record, who's to say there's not? I don't know. In either case, I can't answer that. However, if there's an athlete's performance that you think may be questionable, feel free to speak on it.
Logic is something that goes right over your head. You can have your opinion but when you start to say that you use logic and others use faulty logic, yes, something more substantial is called for other than 'your reasoning'. Are the two words so hard to grasp?
And by the way, the article says nothing of substance, just more opinions -- gossip!
Actually that pesky First Amendment gives Americans the right to question whatever they see fit
Morally speaking it is superceded by someone's right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Only a despot will think otherwise and that would be more un-American.
Morally speaking it is superceded by someone's right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Only a despot will think otherwise and that would be more un-American.
Good point.
Shame on the sour American media. They should apologize for their unsubstantiated and biased accusations.
Of course they won't. They still count on the possibility something will be found out in 8 years, I guess.
Sometimes the gigantic American propaganda machine, which can't control its hostility against countries with different political systems even for a minute on non-political issues, is even more pathetic than China's state owned media.
Anything that I've said, i stand by it. I don't owe you any explanations or clarifications so please get over yourself. I'm also not going to play silly word games with you that have previous little to do with the OP's point. So long as that's your objective, feel free to find someone else to play those games with.
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