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Old 10-10-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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It seems as if everyone is quick to make personal attacks because I tell it like I see it (and likely how it is). People here are actually defending giving inner city students a free diploma without having to work for it. It's disgraceful.
It's not a personal attack to say that someone with such an attitude doesn't belong in teaching or with children, it's observation.

Since you've never worked with this population beyond a seat-filler role (if even that), you should know that we aren't there to hand out diplomas, we're just trying to keep them off drugs, street corners, and give a tiny bit of hope.

But feel free to dictate from your point in life a rather privileged one in comparison.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It seems as if everyone is quick to make personal attacks because I tell it like I see it (and likely how it is). People here are actually defending giving inner city students a free diploma without having to work for it. It's disgraceful.
It's a victim mentality that seems to be pervasive in inner city/Title 1 schools.
I see it in the kids, their parents and even school administrators.

I try not to give these kids a free pass because of their home life but my hands have been tied by administrators; they get as many "tries" as they want for classwork, homework and tests

The state tests are even three tries with intensive short term memory boosters for the portions they failed.

Then you get beyond K-12 and "everyone goes to college" and for these kids that means community college loaded up with pell grants and student loans only the majority never make it through the two years.

It's a pretty sad story all around. But that's the way the system works and that's the way the people at the top want it to work.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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You aren't there to give diplomas, yet you do. They get it just for showing up and knowing how to color pictures of turkeys on thanksgiving.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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If I had finished my internship and went on to be a teacher, I'd be in the administrator's office every day chewing them out over how horrible of a job most of them do with the school and the system, and refuse to do their crap because the system says so.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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If I had finished my internship and went on to be a teacher, I'd be in the administrator's office every day chewing them out over how horrible of a job most of them do with the school and the system, and refuse to do their crap because the system says so.
Yes, well, good thing you didn't waste more money to be fired for insubordination on day two.
*This applies to any job!
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Old 10-10-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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You aren't there to give diplomas, yet you do. They get it just for showing up and knowing how to color pictures of turkeys on thanksgiving.
More talk radio gibberish. This is NOT reality.

A few days as a sub in an inner city school, and you're an expert?
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Old 10-10-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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I'm not intending to be a public school teacher ever because I think I'm too much of a real person to do so.
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Old 10-10-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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I'm not intending to be a public school teacher ever because I think I'm too much of a real person to do so.
Good luck in real estate.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:42 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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If I had finished my internship and went on to be a teacher, I'd be in the administrator's office every day chewing them out over how horrible of a job most of them do with the school and the system, and refuse to do their crap because the system says so.
And as soon as you walked out the door the administrator would on the phone to HR to find out how soon he could get you out of his building and carefully taking notes on what he has to do to make sure it happens. Do you honestly not understand that you are the peon in this scenario?
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I'm not intending to be a public school teacher ever because I think I'm too much of a real person to do so.
Good plan.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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It seems as if everyone is quick to make personal attacks because I tell it like I see it (and likely how it is). People here are actually defending giving inner city students a free diploma without having to work for it. It's disgraceful.
No it isn't. If you had to live with the obstacles they have you might understand. It's not so much a free diploma as it is accepting what they have to give because the stigma of NOT getting a diploma will make their lives so much worse. You do what you can to get them through. What does graduating with a D- average really say to the world? Not much but that diploma is a ticket to a minimum wage job or classes at a community college.

Helping students graduate is helping them get on with their lives. NOT having a diploma can really hold them back. You have to look at the whole picture. There's only so much you can do with a student who can't read or do simple math. You do what you can and let them graduate knowing that they gave what they could, you did what you could and that piece of paper at least gives them a chance to move forward. 50 years ago you could get a job without a diploma but not today. EVERYONE is EXPECTED to graduate and there is a real stigma to not graduating.

One thing that has shocked me as a teacher is just how many kids have lives that just suck. I had no idea before I became a teacher. You do what you can for kids who come from rough backgrounds and accept what they can. As I said before. What are you really telling the world to let a student graduate with a D- average?
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