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After working in the corporate world for 20 years with the nasty bosses and office politics, I thought teaching at a local community college would be an easy second job. I was so wrong. Teaching Adults in a three hour evening course is so much harder than anything I have ever done. I suspect teaching kids would be ten times harder.
I agree 100% with you that teaching is no walk in the park job. I taught elementary school for one year after college, and left it for a job in corporate America. I still work in a corporate prison with some rather difficult people, but it's much easier then dealing with a classroom not to mention the pay is much better.
People like you and me have seen both sides of the coin. What makes me nuts is some of the people in this thread who have never actually taught, but are convinced that it's so easy. They're entitled to their opinions, but perhaps they should try and talk with some more people who have transitioned into a teaching career from a previous career. Maybe they'll realize that it's not a cake job that just anyone can do and do well.
Last edited by izannimda; 05-06-2009 at 06:17 AM..
Oh geez, you guys get more ridiculous with each post. This thread is not about me, its about a topic. A topic that I have a particular view on. I'm not stating my views to "irk teachers", I simply don't care whether teachers don't like my views about the public education system. Disagree what something I say? Address the issue or shut it.
Its rather sad that a bunch of teachers don't do much but reduce themselves to a bunch of fallacies. Me as a person is completely irrelevant to the topic, yet it keeps coming up.
As an engineer turned secondary teacher, I cannot disagree more. While many of the classes I had to take for my credentials were worthless, others were very valuable. My expertise in engineering did not prepare me to teach 16-18 year olds. Neither did my MAT degree but it was sure better than nothing. It will take my MAT and about 3 years experience to turn me into an effective teacher.
Knowing your subject is not enough. You need to know the people you teach as well. While some of that must happen on the job, much can be handled in the college classroom. After all, it is a classroom which is where teachers prepare to work.
Like I said I already argued my position in another thread. I agree knowing your subject is not enough, but credentials do not effectively create good teachers. It is best to actually screen out the teachers in the wild as is done in the college system.
Requiring a few education courses is one thing and draconian credential program is another.
Nobody asked me for "supportive data", they just insulted me, tried to discount my views by picking me apart personally, and tried to psychoanalysis me. All of which are of course are....fallacies.
Does not exactly speak well for the profession....
Nobody asked me for "supportive data", they just insulted me, tried to discount my views by picking me apart personally, and tried to psychoanalysis me. All of which are of course are....fallacies.
Does not exactly speak well for the profession....
Teachers do that all of the time just as you described. Especially as students get older. Ever listen to us talk about a student we don't like? Talk about parents we don't like? Other staff members we don't care for? Spend some time in the teachers lounge we are skilled at doing what you described.
Teachers do that all of the time just as you described. Especially as students get older. Ever listen to us talk about a student we don't like? Talk about parents we don't like? Other staff members we don't care for? Spend some time in the teachers lounge we are skilled at doing what you described.
Skilled at being irrational? Well you said it not me
But yes, I know what teachers talk about it. But, I consider it "venting" and its done by most people. There is a big difference between venting and fallaciously trying to discount someone's view by attacking them personally. There are also plenty of teachers that do not partake in the latter, apparently just not here.
It is not surprising that most teachers support a corrupt and ineffective education system, people rarely bite the hand that feeds them.
Like I said I already argued my position in another thread. I agree knowing your subject is not enough, but credentials do not effectively create good teachers. It is best to actually screen out the teachers in the wild as is done in the college system.
Requiring a few education courses is one thing and draconian credential program is another.
Credentials don't create a good anything. They are simply a solid foundation upon which to build someone who is. A structure can never be stronger than it's foundation. My engineering degree is the foundation I built an engineer on and my teaching degree plus my subject are expertise the foundation I'll build an excellent teacher upon. I can't imagine doing this without that foundation.
I used to think like you. I wondered why I had to go back for another degree to teach when I already had two. The problem about not having that is you have no idea what you're missing. You can argue until the cows come home but until you actually have it you can't compare the two situations. There are things I never would have thought to research on my own that I was taught in my MAT program. I can't tell you how many times something brought up in class really challenged what I thought or changed my position.
Also, there is a such thing as paying your dues. One reason for going through a program is to determine who wants it bad enough to do it. If you make it too easy, you lose the weeding effect and in teaching you need it.
Credentials don't create a good anything. They are simply a solid foundation upon which to build someone who is. A structure can never be stronger than it's foundation. My engineering degree is the foundation I built an engineer on and my teaching degree plus my subject are expertise the foundation I'll build an excellent teacher upon. I can't imagine doing this without that foundation.
You may want to ask yourself how our superior college system works without this so called "foundation" being a requirement.
Skilled at being irrational? Well you said it not me
But yes, I know what teachers talk about it. But, I consider it "venting" and its done by most people. There is a big difference between venting and fallaciously trying to discount someone's view by attacking them personally. There are also plenty of teachers that do not partake in the latter, apparently just not here.
It is not surprising that most teachers support a corrupt and ineffective education system, people rarely bite the hand that feeds them.
I am highly critical of teachers running their mouths and reflecting complete and total unprofessional behavior. Teachers support a broke system because their professional associations profit from it and most of the time they are like sheep following the herd.
I am highly critical of teachers running their mouths and reflecting complete and total unprofessional behavior. Teachers support a broke system because their professional associations profit from it and most of the time they are like sheep following the herd.
Where in this thread and recent threads was it ever said that teachers are happy with the educational system as it is?
Also, TuborgP, you said you were a teacher. Did you teach in the inner city?
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