Those Who Can Do/Those Who Can't Teach (credentials, salaries, middle school)

[Momma_bear]

Originally Posted by user_id

I guessing you haven't done an extensive study on the matter, and nor have I. You have your experience on the matter and so do I, there is little point in commenting back and forth about it.


PS. I've worked in "private industry" my whole working life. You are not acknowledging the distinction I'm making. But I really don't care, its way off topic.

I am not acknowledging the distinction because I don't believe it exists. No I have not done an extensive study on the matter, but I do have many years of experience in private industry, as does my husband. We also have many friends who have participated in training, most of it paid for by their employers, and done on company time.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by Sam82

Ever hear of a profession getting attacked by people (continuously) who have never done the job before?

Yup Lawyers, politicians, real estate brokers, hedge fund managers etc etc etc. Not as many people experience most professions on a day to day basis like they do education. Remember they are sending us what hopefully is the most precious thing in their life. If fact most people are critical of anything that impacts their personal life that they aren't happy about. Oh yeah athletes have entire sections of the paper with folks writing columns about them. I mean right now just saying you work on Wall Street can get you a dirty comment without even saying what you do.

[TuborgP]

Originally Posted by antredd

What kind of work do you do? Right now edcuation as we know it, and depending on our economy, will be around after we are dead and turned back into dust.

Education will be around but our current system which is way over dependent on labor cost and consumes to much capital budget money is facing a major change. We can't afford a brick and mortar based system with so much of government resources devoted to labor cost.

[antredd]

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Education will be around but our current system which is way over dependent on labor cost and consumes to much capital budget money is facing a major change. We can't afford a brick and mortar based system with so much of government resources devoted to labor cost.

I agree with you. This generation my decide how they want to educate their children, since they are called the millenials.

[Sam82]

Originally Posted by user_id

The irony here is that I as a person have a far greater ability to lower your salary than the vast majority of the general public.

In fact, my line of work may just replace you altogether one day.

lol

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Sam82

Ever hear of a profession getting attacked by people (continuously) who have never done the job before?

Originally Posted by TuborgP

Yup Lawyers, politicians, real estate brokers, hedge fund managers etc etc etc. Not as many people experience most professions on a day to day basis like they do education. Remember they are sending us what hopefully is the most precious thing in their life. If fact most people are critical of anything that impacts their personal life that they aren't happy about. Oh yeah athletes have entire sections of the paper with folks writing columns about them. I mean right now just saying you work on Wall Street can get you a dirty comment without even saying what you do.

Not to mention nurses and doctors as well. University professors in their ivory towers, "mad" scientists in the lab, etc.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by antredd

I agree with you. This generation my decide how they want to educate their children, since they are called the millenials.

It has little to do with what this or that generation will decide, the costs are in some sense getting out of control. Education as a profession has resisted change for some time, there has been very little improvements in productivity despite major changes in other industries.

You can try to block the waters only so long, the dam sooner or later breaks.

Living in California you are going to see this very well in the coming years. Nothing is sacred. Think your pension, your benefits, etc are safe? Take a look at calstrs's difference between future pension obligations and the funds used to pay them. It does not look pretty.

Although, I disagree with you about a lot, you seem like a good teacher. Unfortunately, just as the bad teachers have benefited greatly from the current system, the good teachers are going to get hurt by its downfall.

[childfont01]

According to me those who are not able to grab any opportunity ,take the option to teach . And teaching can only be done by the people who do not expect a lot from themselves .

[jimhcom]

Here is a chart of AVERAGE pay for teachers in California. Take into consideration if this is average then 50% of teachers make more than the figures stated.

County District Average Salary
Santa Clara MOUNTAIN VIEW-LOS ALTOS UNION 93,283
San Mateo LAS LOMITAS ELEMENTARY 88,335
Santa Clara LOS GATOS-SARATOGA JOINT UNION 88,151
Orange LAGUNA BEACH UNIFIED 84,932
San Mateo MENLO PARK CITY ELEMENTARY 84,416
Los Angeles MOUNTAIN VIEW ELEMENTARY 84,070
Orange FULLERTON JOINT UNION HIGH 82,860
Marin TAMALPAIS UNION HIGH 81,923
Alameda PLEASANTON UNIFIED 81,446
Monterey KING CITY JOINT UNION HIGH 81,391
Santa Clara PALO ALTO UNIFIED 81,193
San Mateo HILLSBOROUGH CITY ELEMENTARY 80,943
Stanislaus MODESTO CITY SCHOOLS 80,360
Orange ORANGE COUNTY OFFICE OF ED. 79,473
San Mateo SAN MATEO COUNTY OFFICE OF ED. 79,038
Orange ANAHEIM UNION HIGH 79,030
Napa CALISTOGA JOINT UNIFIED 78,970
Orange SAVANNA ELEMENTARY 78,430
Napa ST. HELENA UNIFIED 78,289
Orange GARDEN GROVE UNIFIED 77,535
Orange LA HABRA CITY ELEMENTARY 77,509
Orange SADDLEBACK VALLEY UNIFIED 77,293
San Bernardino CHAFFEY UNION HIGH 77,140
Alameda NEW HAVEN UNIFIED 77,092
Los Angeles SOUTH WHITTIER ELEMENTARY 76,788
Los Angeles ARCADIA UNIFIED 76,787
Orange HUNTINGTON BEACH UNION HIGH 76,735
Monterey CARMEL UNIFIED 76,401
Santa Clara EAST SIDE UNION HIGH 76,370
Orange SANTA ANA UNIFIED 76,279
Orange ANAHEIM ELEMENTARY 76,230
San Mateo SEQUOIA UNION HIGH 76,194
Orange LOS ALAMITOS UNIFIED 76,063
Marin REED UNION ELEMENTARY 75,666
Orange PLACENTIA-YORBA LINDA UNIFIED 75,643
Alameda FREMONT UNIFIED 75,621
San Diego SAN DIEGUITO UNION HIGH 75,620
Orange CAPISTRANO UNIFIED 75,390
Los Angeles DOWNEY UNIFIED 75,246
San Diego SAN DIEGO COUNTY OFFICE OF ED. 75,048
Merced ATWATER ELEMENTARY 74,921
Riverside CORONA-NORCO UNIFIED 74,860
San Mateo SAN MATEO UNION HIGH 74,785
San Bernardino MOUNTAIN VIEW ELEMENTARY 74,552
Monterey PACIFIC GROVE UNIFIED 74,364
Los Angeles LENNOX ELEMENTARY 74,301
Glenn WILLOWS UNIFIED 74,112
Alameda DUBLIN UNIFIED 73,982
Orange HUNTINGTON BEACH CITY ELEMENTA 73,754
Riverside JURUPA UNIFIED 73,449

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by jimhcom

Here is a chart of AVERAGE pay for teachers in California. Take into consideration if this is average then 50% of teachers make more than the figures stated.

Riverside JURUPA UNIFIED 73,449

And 50% make less and did you even consider the cost of living in California? I'm in Michigan, and if you can get into a district, which few new grads do these days, we have the highest pay for teachers adjusted for cost of living.