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There's THREE to get you started...and two of them are Dallas-based articles, so you can't say they're "biased".
:....Not so fast....GO LOOK AT THE DATES ON THOSE ARTICLES!!!!!
Don't pull up no 2016... 2014 articles in 2023...The numbers I posted were 2019 numbers.
The wiki list numbers are NEWER AND MORE CURRENT than ANYTHING in those articles you posted.
...............Next!!!!!
Last edited by dallasboi; 06-08-2023 at 07:30 PM..
The last article is from 2020 and lines like this Crack me up:
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In two years, DART will finish the Silver Line commuter rail from the airport to Plano, which it predicts will draw 5,630 riders per day. DART budgets $1.2 billion for the line, or $220,000 per rider.
Don't you see how everyone who thinks of it for second will realize these are vanity project. Well that is if they are sane.
DART can buy each rider a Lamborghini and still save money. How do yall justify all that waste?
...Ok ...I just have to put a lot of rumors to bed...Not just for Houstonians ..But for some Dallasites too..That seem to jump on the bandwagon of KILLING FLOWERS before they reach their destination.
#1.SOME think that DART failed to create T.O.D's with the addition of Light-Rail stations to semi-urban... up-and-coming neighborhoods...Well Let's see:
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Projects:
Construction activity and planned construction activity within a quarter mile of DART rail
stations in 2016-2018 resulted in significant economic activity for the Dallas-Ft. Worth region.
The projects either in the construction phase, completed, or planned in this time frame resulted in
University of North Texas | Economics Research Group Pg. 5
over $5.14 billion in direct spending. This yields a total economic impact of $10.27 billion for
the DFW region. Direct construction employment was 29,985 jobs with at total employment
creation (direct, indirect, and induced) of 69,078 DFW jobs. The construction jobs generated $3.9
billion in labor income and $286 million in state and local taxes.The vast majority (94%) of the projects near the stations are currently under construction or have
been completed.
Dallas Streetcar
The Dallas Streetcar is operated by DART for the City of Dallas. The Streetcar is a 2.4-mile
streetcar track that provides access for riders in Oak Cliff to rail connections at Union Station in
Dallas. The inclusion of the streetcar development is new to the ERG analysis. It included in this
report to provide baseline in the economic development activity that occurs near the streetcar
locations.
University of North Texas | Economics Research Group Pg. 6 There were 11 development projects within the
¼ mile buffer area of the streetcar. With a value of
$200.7 million. Residential projects accounted for
$133.7 million, residential/commercial provided $63.3
million and commercial projects added $3.7 million.
The total economic impact of the development
was $200.7 million creating 2,701 jobs in DFW. The
development generated $175 million in labor income
and 12.6 million in state and local taxes.
#2. Train lines through ANY neighborhood or district INCREASES the property values for EVERYTHING...Low ridership or not..FYM!!!
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Methodology
For the surrounding area around each DART Station, properties were separated into two
distributions:
• Properties within 0.5 mile of a DART station
• Properties within 0.5 mile to 1 mile of a DART station
Residential (Apartment)
Similar amenity apartment complexes were chosen for a comparison to limit any bias in the rental
prices. Since we are trying to single out for the price effects of a DART station, all other factors
should be as equal as possible. For example, if an apartment complex in one distribution contained
a pool and gym, the apartment complex in the other distribution should also contain these
amenities. The apartment rental prices obtained were for one bedroom units of similar square
footage sizes. The prices were divided by the amount of square footage units to minimize any
pricing bias in the size of the specific apartment units. At least one apartment complex was
selected for each distribution per station to create an average rental price (per square foot) for that
University of North Texas | Economics Research Group Pg. 8
specific distance range of a DART station.
Several stations contained up to four apartment
complexes within the specified distance range. A paired t-test was used to determine whether the
apartment rent price (per square foot) differential was statistically significant between apartments
within 0.5 mile of a DART station and apartments further away at 0.5 to 1 mile from a DART
station. Fifteen stations were analyzed with a pairwise model and included a total of 68 apartment
complexes.
The P-value was statistically significant at 0.01899 at a 95% confidence level. Therefore, we
determine that there is a significant price differential in apartments and their distance to a DART
station. Furthermore, we can state that apartment complexes within 0.5 mile of a DART station
have rental prices significantly higher than apartment complexes located between ½ to 1 mile of a
DART station. Apartments within 0.5 mile of a DART station have an average apartment rental
price of $1.94 per square foot, while apartments between 0.5 and 1 mile of a DART station have
an average apartment rental price of $1.62 per square foot – which is $0.32 lower.
#3. Has EMPTY DART TRAINS that have people on them affected commercial development and interest in growth patterns creating urban Mix-Use development???
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Commercial and Office
A similar model was run comparing rent for commercial properties. Properties chosen included
commercial and office properties. Properties with similar characteristics were compared. A paired
t-test was used to determine whether the rent price (per square foot) differential was statistically
significant between properties within 0.5 mile of a DART station and properties further away at
0.5 to 1 mile from a DART station. Thirteen stations were analyzed with a pairwise model and
included a total of 47 commercial/office properties.
The P-value was statistically significant at 0.020353 at a 95% confidence level. Therefore, we
determine that there is a significant price differential in properties and their distance to a DART
station. Furthermore, we can state that properties within 0.5 mile of a DART station have rental prices significantly higher than complexes located between ½ to 1 mile of a DART station.
Properties within 0.5 mile of a DART station have an average rental price of $1.60 per square foot,
while properties between 0.5 and 1 mile of a DART station have an average rental price of $1.29
per square foot – which is $0.31 lower for combined commercial/office.
CONCLUSION
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Conclusion
The Dallas-Ft. Worth region’s economy showed considerable economic activity from
2016-2018, including strength in the construction sector. The substantial amount of development
within a quarter mile of DART stations analyzed in our last report attests to the region’s economic
health. The trend to develop properties near light rail stations is one that extends across the nation.
Connectivity and multi-modal access are increasingly important in a Texas that is rapidly
urbanizing – This is especially true in the Dallas Ft. Worth region. The 81 projects analyzed
represent not only the region’s commitment to multi-modal transportation options and an urban
landscape that reflects the importance of those options, but billions of dollars in economic activity
and tens of thousands of jobs throughout the region. The streetcar analysis (11 projects) mirrored
these results.
So .......Ridership doesn't matter......And we have at least 100 more years to KEEP ADDING T.O.D's !!..Eventually ..TRAFFIC will get soooo bad to where people will gradually start preferring public transportation for the CONVENIENCE of not having to SIT in traffic and waste gas.... AND TIME.....Ridership will increase Naturally as people slowly realize how much money they'll save by Park-N-Riding.....It will eventually become a no-brainer to seek to live at one of the MULTIPLE Stations Mix-use developments....Walking distance to train access......It's a mental restructuring that comes with being forced out of your car....... In 1996 it was stated that it would take 20yrs for the mindset of Dallasites to become conditioned to accept and utilize the concept of carless urban environments.
Ridership is low now because people are still in love with their cars...and Traffic is still manageable.....Just wait until it becomes unbearable (not-so-distant future)...Mass Transit will become a no-brainer!!
WE ARE IN A WIN/WIN situation!!!.......Expanding the system into the forward-thinking INFRASTRUCTURE is what's important NOW!!!.......Not the ridership.
It will RAIN HEAVY....and it will FILL TO THE BRIM!!!
Last edited by dallasboi; 06-08-2023 at 09:18 PM..
Dallas Dart-Rail= 11 marbles in a Miracle Whip Jar......Totally PREPARED for the extra 100 marbles that will eventually join them in the FUTURE.
Out of all the babble you just spouted, the crap you wrote above shows just how delusional you really are.
Just as I thought, you're banking on something that very likely won't happen in our lifetime...and if it somehow DOES happen in our lifetime, we'll be so old that we would have forgotten all about this thread.
On top of that...if we're moving the goalpost to the next 100 years, that means that Houston has just as much time to "get it together", with VASTLY more potential than Dallas could ever have.
Be careful of what you speak into existence...I'd love to come back to this thread in 40 years a gloat about how Houston's rail system has totally outshined DART!
...Ok ...I just have to put a lot of rumors to bed...Not just for Houstonians ..But for some Dallasites too..That seem to jump on the bandwagon of KILLING FLOWERS before they reach their destination.
#1.SOME think that DART failed to create T.O.D's with the addition of Light-Rail stations to semi-urban... up-and-coming neighborhoods...Well Let's see:
#2. Train lines through ANY neighborhood or district INCREASES the property values for EVERYTHING...Low ridership or not..FYM!!!
#3.[/b] Has EMPTY DART TRAINS that have people on them affected commercial development and interest in growth patterns creating urban Mix-Use development???
CONCLUSION
So .......Ridership doesn't matter......And we have at least 100 more years to KEEP ADDING T.O.D's !!..Eventually ..TRAFFIC will get soooo bad to where people will gradually start preferring public transportation for the CONVENIENCE of not having to SIT in traffic and waste gas.... AND TIME.....Ridership will increase Naturally as people slowly realize how much money they'll save by Park-N-Riding.....It will eventually become a no-brainer to seek to live at one of the MULTIPLE Stations Mix-use developments....Walking distance to train access......It's a mental restructuring that comes with being forced out of your car....... In 1996 it was stated that it would take 20yrs for the mindset of Dallasites to become conditioned to accept and utilize the concept of carless urban environments.
Ridership is low now because people are still in love with their cars...and Traffic is still manageable.....Just wait until it becomes unbearable (not-so-distant future)...Mass Transit will become a no-brainer!!
WE ARE IN A WIN/WIN situation!!!.......Expanding the system into the forward-thinking INFRASTRUCTURE is what's important NOW!!!.......Not the ridership.
It will RAIN HEAVY....and it will FILL TO THE BRIM!!!
Bwhahahahahahaha!!!!
So NOW it's all about subconscious mind-bending?
BILLIONS of dollars wasted on a train that nobody rides, and it all boils down to "people not realizing that they are going to ride this train one way or the other, 100 years in future". GOTCHA!
You lost this battle several comments ago...NOW I'm just thoroughly entertained, lol!
BILLIONS of dollars wasted on a train that nobody rides, and it all boils down to "people not realizing that they are going to ride this train one way or the other, 100 years in future". GOTCHA!
You lost this battle several comments ago...NOW I'm just thoroughly entertained, lol!
NOBODY rides it but WE'RE STILL AHEAD OF HOUSTON ON EVERY LIST CREATED.
BILLIONS of dollars wasted on a train that nobody rides, and it all boils down to "people not realizing that they are going to ride this train one way or the other, 100 years in future". GOTCHA!
You lost this battle several comments ago...NOW I'm just thoroughly entertained, lol!
Houston is closer to the unbearable mark ....But there's no system to be forced to use instead of their car!!!........... At least Dallas will have a whole system already in place that MAKES SENSE to capture all of the converted commuters .................................HOUSTON IS IN DEEP TROUBLE
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