Poll: Smoking laws in Texas (Van: public school, taxes, to live)

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Blackscorpion

Just trying to figure out, why you think it's ok for somebody else to impose their bad habit on others, especially when it's not healthy.

Uhhhh, what if you have the choice to not expose yourself to someone else's "bad habits" by simply not patronizing businesses that allow smoking?

Nothing hard at all to "figure out" about that...unless one is so self-centered they believe their own self-defined "rights" are more important than those of the property owner to make decisions based upon their own experience with their clientele.

Let me bring this down to a personal level...

Suppose I own a business that is dependent on a working class crowd where many smoke, and those who have no problem with those who do?

Now, what are your credentials to tell me I can't make that policy? Especially when nothing at all requires you to set foot in my café/bar/bowling alley/etc, at all?

But? On the flip side of the album...just so you don't think it works in only one direction? What right should I have that should outweigh your right to prohibit smoking within your place? When all I have to do is either not go in or find another place that allows it?

[High_Plains_Retired]

The best part of Texas is that it has 254 counties that are still given a LOT of individual freedom apart from an overbearing centralized government.

[Blackscorpion]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Uhhhh, what if you have the choice to not expose yourself to someone else's "bad habits" by simply not patronizing businesses that allow smoking?

Nothing hard at all to "figure out" about that...unless one is so self-centered they believe their own self-defined "rights" are more important than those of the property owner to make decisions based upon their own experience with their clientele.

Let me bring this down to a personal level...

Suppose I own a business that is dependent on a working class crowd where many smoke, and those who have no problem with those who do?

Now, what are your credentials to tell me I can't make that policy? Especially when nothing at all requires you to set foot in my café/bar/bowling alley/etc, at all?

damn bro, don't take it personally, I just asked...and since you responded..let me tell you this...

I lived with a smoker for 17 YEARS, trust me I had people asking me if I smoked(I don't) and it was so bad that the paint in our house even changed color! So yeah, if that makes me self centered then I guess I am, but since its THEIR habit, they can do it in THEIR house. I get sick now smelling that crap and it makes me head feel like I was kicked by a mule. I never said anything that businesses could not do anything..apparently you need to go back to the their grade and learn how to read again...I addressed the behavior of the smoker, not the actual place of business.

Oh and PS: I wasn't talking to you.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Blackscorpion

damn bro, don't take it personally, I just asked...and since you responded..let me tell you this...

I lived with a smoker for 17 YEARS, trust me I had people asking me if I smoked(I don't) and it was so bad that the paint in our house even changed color! So yeah, if that makes me self centered then I guess I am, but since its THEIR habit, they can do it in THEIR house. I get sick now smelling that crap and it makes me head feel like I was kicked by a mule. I never said anything that businesses could not do anything..apparently you need to go back to the their grade and learn how to read again...I addressed the behavior of the smoker, not the actual place of business.

Oh and PS: I wasn't talking to you.

LMAO That is a neat little deflection -- humorous one at that -- you are writing to detract from what you actually said/wrote. And such is quite obvious to anyone who read your earlier post. So, no "bro", I think it is you who either need to go back and edit your own writing or do some comprehensive reading yourself in order to figure out what you are writing about...or else just get it straight!.

In this case? It was clearly stated the poll applied only to privately owned businesses, not private homes, etc. What part of that was unclear to you?

But ok, in the interest of harmony and good will? Let's just chalk that one up as a misunderstanding or whatever. Fair enough?

So answer directly, if you will. Do you, personally, have any problem with allowing the owner(s) of a privately owned business to be the ultimate decision maker on their inside smoking policies?

[xsatyr]

Originally Posted by Blackscorpion

damn bro, don't take it personally, I just asked...and since you responded..let me tell you this...

I lived with a smoker for 17 YEARS, trust me I had people asking me if I smoked(I don't) and it was so bad that the paint in our house even changed color! So yeah, if that makes me self centered then I guess I am, but since its THEIR habit, they can do it in THEIR house. I get sick now smelling that crap and it makes me head feel like I was kicked by a mule. I never said anything that businesses could not do anything..apparently you need to go back to the their grade and learn how to read again...I addressed the behavior of the smoker, not the actual place of business.

Oh and PS: I wasn't talking to you.

Your post was vague and never specified if you were talking about businesses. The post you quoted went into length discussing the issue with businesses so it was natural for TexasReb to make an assumption.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by Blackscorpion

Just trying to figure out, why you think it's ok for somebody else to impose their bad habit on others, especially when it's not healthy.

I suggest you go back and actually READ what I typed this time. The entire idea was that there were venues that were smoking venues, and hundreds of other venues that were no smoking venues. This meant that those who did not want to have someone else's "bad habit" (by their lights) imposed on them had many, many places they could go with that not happening. Those who liked to smoke (and didn't consider it a bad habit) had a few venues where they could go.

So who exactly is being imposed on by someone else's bad habit here? (By the way, I consider insisting that everyone live by your preferences and that your preferences be legislated to be a very bad habit, and one that the anti-smoking crowd above and their ilk have in spades. In fact, I think it should be illegal so that no one has to be exposed to it.)

[TXNGL]

Should be up to the owners. Having said that, I can't stand trying to eat in places where several people are smoking. Before the smoking ban in Dallas took over, there were many restaurants that did not allow smoking, or if they did, it was only in very small designated areas. I used to be a regular smoker. Sometimes I enjoy a cigarette with a drink, but I can't stand smoke-filled restaurants. You do notice the difference. I've taken my daughter out of diners and restaurants in other states where the smoke is heavy in the air. I realize this post is disjointed. Leave it up to the business and let me choose which ones I visit.

[Blackscorpion]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

LMAO That is a neat little deflection -- humorous one at that -- you are writing to detract from what you actually said/wrote. And such is quite obvious to anyone who read your earlier post. So, no "bro", I think it is you who either need to go back and edit your own writing or do some comprehensive reading yourself in order to figure out what you are writing about...or else just get it straight!.

In this case? It was clearly stated the poll applied only to privately owned businesses, not private homes, etc. What part of that was unclear to you?

But ok, in the interest of harmony and good will? Let's just chalk that one up as a misunderstanding or whatever. Fair enough?

So answer directly, if you will. Do you, personally, have any problem with allowing the owner(s) of a privately owned business to be the ultimate decision maker on their inside smoking policies?

Deflection..that's a good one..I specifically commented on just a post made by a poster about what a SMOKER does, i didn't say anything about a business. I mean do you not understand English, perhaps? I am no longer going to answer the question of someone that doesn't even have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader. This is not the first time you have done this before to a poster. I answered your stupid little poll because I was bored, but just like before, you have to argue with people that don't agree with YOUR view..so then why the hell do you put a poll? Just put, I think X and what do you guys think about that ..problem solved...

[xsatyr]

Originally Posted by Blackscorpion

Deflection..that's a good one..I specifically commented on just a post made by a poster about what a SMOKER does, i didn't say anything about a business. I mean do you not understand English, perhaps? I am no longer going to answer the question of someone that doesn't even have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader. This is not the first time you have done this before to a poster. I answered your stupid little poll because I was bored, but just like before, you have to argue with people that don't agree with YOUR view..so then why the hell do you put a poll? Just put, I think X and what do you guys think about that ..problem solved...

You specifically quoted someone who made a post about certain venues/businesses allowing smoking. They never mentioned anything about forcing a bad habit upon anyone else. You're the only one here with comprehension issues.

[War Beagle]

I despise the smell of cigarettes (cigars and pipes are great though) personally, but it should be up to each business owner and his/her customers.