The nation's obsession with Texas? (Houston, Dallas: gated, living in, racist)

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I had a slew of articles linking the high incidences of white supremacist violence in southern california with many california white pride gangs engaging in violence against people of color. It's probably more prevalent in the OC, Riverside and San Diego than anywhere in the country or just as much. Yet, this isn't seen as a slight against California's image.

No one thinks of creating a media bias that paints these incidents as uniquely Californian. They're seen as separate incidents of hate crimes. Yet, when an incident happens in Texas, it's just a given. Due mainly toward the bias against the State.

This. These things happen in many states, repeatedly, but when they do, the anti-Texas bigots don't say, "Well, that's because it's California (or Ohio or pick whatever state it happens in) like they do when it happens in Texas." And they don't even recognize their own bigotry.

[Gunion Powder]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I had a slew of articles linking the high incidences of white supremacist violence in southern california with many california white pride gangs engaging in violence against people of color. It's probably more prevalent in the OC, Riverside and San Diego than anywhere in the country or just as much. Yet, this isn't seen as a slight against California's image.

No one thinks of creating a media bias that paints these incidents as uniquely Californian. They're seen as separate incidents of hate crimes. Yet, when an incident happens in Texas, it's just a given. Due mainly toward the bias against the State.

California had more hate groups than any other state last year | Daily Mail Online

TOP TEN STATES WITH THE MOST ACTIVE HATE GROUPS IN 2014
1. California - 57
2. Florida - 50
3. New York - 44
4. New Jersey - 40
5. Pennsylvania - 38
6. Texas - 36
7. Tennessee - 29
8. Georgia - 28
9. Virginia - 27 (tie)
9. Ohio - 27 (tie)
Source: Southern Poverty Law Center

Racism and hate is a nationwide problem. Not a Texas thing.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

This. These things happen in many states, repeatedly, but when they do, the anti-Texas bigots don't say, "Well, that's because it's California (or Ohio or pick whatever state it happens in) like they do when it happens in Texas." And they don't even recognize their own bigotry.

Pretty sure I never said intolerance was unique to Texas, but facts are facts, and less than twenty years ago, a Black man was dragged to his death in this state, not another one. Save that "this happens everywhere" junk for someone blind enough to fall for it. I'm speaking as a native of Texas; not some disgruntled transplant.

Radio, you'll be happy to know that I think of Houston and Dallas as exceptions to the rule, but even most Texans in this forum are rather vocal about their lack of fondness for those two cities and I think that says something.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Gunion Powder

Pretty sure I never said intolerance was unique to Texas, but facts are facts, and less than twenty years ago, a Black man was dragged to his death in this state, not another one. Save that "this happens everywhere" junk for someone blind enough to fall for it. I'm speaking as a native of Texas; not some disgruntled transplant.

Radio, you'll be happy to know that I think of Houston and Dallas as exceptions to the rule, but even most Texans in this forum are rather vocal about their lack of fondness for those two cities and I think that says something.

Do you want me to post the many incidents of racial violence against people of color by white supremacist gangs in California? Most if not all happened way after 20 years ago. Facts are facts. The more heinous the crime doesn't mean make one state more racist than the other. The hotbed of racist white pride gangs and violence is in Southern California yet this does nothing to deter its image as a bastion of progressivism. That's my point.

What is yours other than supporting the concocted media bias?

[Gunion Powder]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Do you want me to post the many incidents of racial violence against people of color by white supremacist gangs in California? Most if not all happened way after 20 years ago. Facts are facts. The more heinous the crime doesn't mean make one state more racist than the other. The hotbed of racist white pride gangs and violence is in Southern California yet this does nothing to deter its image as a bastion of progressivism. That's my point.

What is yours other than supporting the concocted media bias?

Post whatever you'd like. It won't negate anything I've said. A state as populated and diverse as California is bound to have some racial strife, but it will never have the long history of systemic hate and inequality that our state has had.

I love Texas, too, guys, but I took my rose colored glasses off years ago.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Gunion Powder

Post whatever you'd like. It won't negate anything I've said. A state as populated and diverse as California is bound to have some racial strife, but it will never have the long history of systemic hate and inequality that our state has had.

I love Texas, too, guys, but I took my rose colored glasses off years ago.

So the hatred that has exists in CA (and has always existed because CA has had sundown towns too, ya know) is explained away as diversity but the hatred in Texas is simply due to the inherent hate and inequality Texas has always had? Do you read the inane drivel you post?

What I'm trying to say is that racial strife isn't unique to Texas but that media bias tends to portray it as something that's just expected whereas in CA it's just a random occurrence? Do you not know the history of white supremacism in southern Calofornia? The Aryan Brotherhood started in CA. There is a very well documented history of racism in CA but you're waving that off as irrelevant because it doesn't fit your narrative of Texas being uniquely racist. I know you're explicitly saying that Texas is the only place where racism exists but you're feeding into the narrative that incidents of racial violence against POC are not incidents but are a given in Texas due to its past. Yet you don't subscribe this same logic to a place like CA? It's simply due to the diversity? Cmon man get a grip.

And you're not unique yourself there are plenty of Texans that would throw the state under the bus to look cool in front of biased liberal types.

[Gunion Powder]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

So the hatred that has exiss in CA (and has always existed because CA has has sundown towns too, ya know) is explained away as diversity but the hatred in Texas is simply due to the inherent hate and inequality Texas has always had? Do you read the inane drivel you post.

Right now I'm reading your inability to have an objective and respectful discussion. Good day.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Gunion Powder

Right now I'm reading your inability to have an objective and respectful discussion. Good day.

Don't take it so personally Gunion. I didn't mean to offend I was just saying that Texas and to a lesser extent the south is used as a scapegoat for all the racism that exists and continues to exist in the country. The thing is to label center right leaning states as harborers of hate, that conservatism will lead to hate, meanwhile racist hate groups exist in blue states too. CA, PA and NY state are states with a number of hate groups too.

[Soonhun]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Which again is mostly a media bias. The smaller incident in Texas is turned into a big story. Anything that happens in other states is just a random occurrence that bears no reflection on the state.

I sort of agree here as well. I mean, look t what happened recently in France regarding Mosques in Corsica and elsewhere being attacked or damaged (I cannot remember, probably the latter), yet, France is still often seen as more tolerant and with less bigotry (racially and religiously) than Texas. If, and when, something like that happens in Texas, it becomes national news and people shake their heads, as if it is any more normal behavior for the state. Of course, if that was actually the case, there wouldn't be so much disgust and horror in Texas itself as a response.

Also, California not having a "long history of systemic hate and inequality?" Um, yeah, sure.

[radiolibre99]

Exactly. There are a lot of incidence of racial violence against immigrants in Germany yet people don't shake their head and go "of course what did you expect it's Germany", even though it has a history of racism.

[wheatpenny]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

Actually there is sense in which I don't mind the bad publicity because it makes people less inclined to move to Texas. They think it's a bad state and for a lot of people the culture is too much for them. Texas will never be that popular and that's not a bad thing.

That's a happy thought, but not realistic. It seems like ppl are coming here from all places, and it doesn't seem like it will stop anytime soon.