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If you desire merely the "easy" and uncomplicated you will undoubtedly get what you desire. To castigate a cities population of men because the ones you've met choose not to cheapen the entire process in a regressive race back to the Pleistocene era, perhaps you would be better served by seeking out another locale where evolutionary progress is of far lesser value.
Your condescending, patronizing clap trap with over the top dose of arm chair psychology is exhausting to read. Cheapen what process? What are you on about? I talked about people not being outgoing, what this has anything to do with being 'evolutionary"? If being timid and boring and reserved is a sign of social evolution then I'll be happy to move to neanderthal era.
It kind of floors me when I hear people say that people in Toronto and interactions with people in Toronto suck. So my questions is then what the hell are you doing about it. Hiding behind your computer and complaining? You could move as some places do work better for other people. I have no interested in moving to anywhere is Europe as it just would not work for me and I have plenty of reasons why I would not like to live in other places. To each his own as they say.
I have lived in London and did not like it! Could not wait to get the hell out of there. I found it depressing, old, dingy, people were rude, cold, constantly annoyingly drunk after work, horrible weather, nasty mayo on everything, food had not flavour, expensive, living conditions were horrible compared to what I was use to and people were arrogant beyond belief (always correcting our Canadian English), always being called American (even though I said I was Canadian), found the accent annoying (I almost started some relationships, but every time I heard the accent I totally made me think of Bert the chimney sweep from Mary Poppin's or Ebenezer Scrooge ... found it such a turn off), observed general overall lack of personal hygiene on average and people were generally more cheap and more penny pinching then I am use to. I was literally told by one of my Italian flatmates don`t expect a guy to buy you a drink in this city as their tight with their wallets.
I was single then I did not like the dating scene there because all they ever did was drink to drunkeness and I 100% hate sitting around and watching people drink .. I do not care if it is coffee or alcohol. Drink it and let get going. Night clubs were interesting ( and not in a good way). It was an experience and there were things I did enjoy, but it was not for me. So I get the concept that some people are just suited to other places. Also somethings it is just who you happen to connect with then you are live that makes or breaks your experience.
I have friends that lived in Europe got GREATS jobs and they could not wait to get back to Toronto. It really depends. Some places just work better for other people. In a way I think it is really good that not everyone likes the same places otherwise certain places would be way too over populated. I also want to put out the idea that maybe you leave home to move somewhere else looking for something better, but end up gaining a better appreciation for the things you love about where you are from. There is nothing wrong with this.
Why does no one ever think of just being that person that continues to invite people to go out and starts the conversations. Does anyone ever actually do anything about the issues they see in Toronto? A few years ago I realize my social life was starting to get boring. I was tired of hanging out with my partner that has completlely different interests then me and tired of going to family friendly events. Instead of waiting and pleading with people to try to go to some of the things I wanted to do.... I just started doing stuff that I wanted to do . The more I started sharing my experiences with freinds and people I knew.. the more people around me started to be actually motivated to go out and do stuff and to try some of the things I was trying. In short if you are from Toronto and complaining about people being introverted and hostile... stop being introverted and hostile and try to make a difference.
Re: The use of grasshopper ... excellent example of how things are intrepreted differently by different people. When I lived in London ... I had that type of experience over and over again. Ex. The use of the word pissed ... at first I thought everyone was getting mad, turned out they were getting drunk ! People kept on tell me I need to get in to the cue... in my head I was like what the heck is a cue. You live and you learn (... hopefully).
Also as someone that is usually in relationships with people that speak English as a 2nd or 3rd language ... sometimes you think you are having the same conversation, but you are REALLY not ! Ex ... did you just call me an insect vs. young one I am willing to teach. I have a male co-worker that speaks English as a 4th language and had to pull him aside a while ago to provide some advice because he was trying to nicely explain to an employee that reports to him that she did not have to be so rude and disrespective when speaking to management. He told her that she should learn to be more submissive and she was furious (holly HR nightmare waiting to happen)! When I spoke with him in private and explaned the social context of using the particular word so he then understood that using the word did not conveying his intended message well and was usually taken very offensively. He thanks me and the HR headache was avoided.
Sometimes it is our interpretation of another person's actions and speech that is in error. Ex Toronto women or men are rude, snobby and have no game. Is it possible you are just making assumptions without giving the person an opportunity or miss interpreting the local usual behaviour in that environment? The same vibe being expressed about Toronto men and women I found in my 20s at bars and night clubs in Madrid, Seville and Cordoba people were not acting as hyper and dancing a lot like I was use to in the places I went to in Toronto, but what can you do? My friend who is usually consider very attractive, speaks spanish and is an amazing dancer tried to start talking with several different guys who were not even that great looking and totally got snubbed (I was dying of laughter), while in Toronto guys would be chasing her around the dance floor. Sometimes there is just no connection.
And it's your right to complain about London and hate it, it doesn't irk me or anything, you're entitled to it and it's not always so easy to just pick up and leave. I have met quite a few Canadians (maybe around 10) who lived in London and none of them liked it. I think London is too intense for Canadians, it's a hard city to live in, it's intense, yes weather sucks, it's expensive and while people are rude and pissed off (they have a right to be, they live in London) it's so much easier to make friends and I actually enjoyed drunken culture. It brings people together and loosen them up.
Nobody's hiding behind their computer, it's a discussion forum, I have simply started the OP to see what others wanted to say.
And it's your right to complain about London and hate it, it doesn't irk me or anything, you're entitled to it and it's not always so easy to just pick up and leave. I have met quite a few Canadians (maybe around 10) who lived in London and none of them liked it. I think London is too intense for Canadians, it's a hard city to live in, it's intense, yes weather sucks, it's expensive and while people are rude and pissed off (they have a right to be, they live in London) it's so much easier to make friends and I actually enjoyed drunken culture. It brings people together and loosen them up.
Nobody's hiding behind their computer, it's a discussion forum, I have simply started the OP to see what others wanted to say.
I have no problem with your post at all. I actually was happy that you posted it. The hiding behind your computure comment was actually directed at a few select Toronto City Data Forum regulars who always complain about the people in the city, but are from the city any convery no efforts in making a different. London was not for me, but I was happy to have the experience. I used it as an example only.
And it's your right to complain about London and hate it, it doesn't irk me or anything, you're entitled to it and it's not always so easy to just pick up and leave. I have met quite a few Canadians (maybe around 10) who lived in London and none of them liked it. I think London is too intense for Canadians, it's a hard city to live in, it's intense, yes weather sucks, it's expensive and while people are rude and pissed off (they have a right to be, they live in London) it's so much easier to make friends and I actually enjoyed drunken culture. It brings people together and loosen them up.
Nobody's hiding behind their computer, it's a discussion forum, I have simply started the OP to see what others wanted to say.
LOL London is too intense for Canadians... Generalize much Anna.. Seems to be your forte. What is definitely true is for as long as you stay here, convincing yourself that everyone is cut from the same 'reserved' and boring cloth will become your reality.. When is the big move happening Anna?.. Everyone in C/D will have a BIG going away party for you.. Lots of Alcohol flowing too.. What ya like to drink?
LOL London is too intense for Canadians... Generalize much Anna.. Seems to be your forte. What is definitely true is for as long as you stay here, convincing yourself that everyone is cut from the same 'reserved' and boring cloth will become your reality..
Well, it just seems like this and of course not for all, Im just saying that all Canadians I have met always thought London was a total sh_thole. It's much harder city to live and survive in than any city in Canada.
Well, it just seems like this and of course not for all, Im just saying that all Canadians I have met always thought London was a total sh_thole. It's much harder city to live and survive in than any city in Canada.
You know what's going to happen to you... You're not looking for a mate right now, you've convinced yourself the dating/social scene sucks here and guess what - in life when you least expect it is EXACTLY the time you'll meet someone! A year and a half from now you'll probably be making marriage plans to a Torontonian guy and getting ready to move in together and planning your boring straight rest of your Toronto life - complete with a house/dog/white picket fence and kids running around..
There is nothing wrong with having a preference towards certain cities or making observations. I think it is really cool that you have been able to work and live in so many different cities. Sometimes it is also who you randomly connect with or meet when you get somewhere. Re London and being a hard city to live in, yup it was hard to live there. It was also a great experience. I would go back to visit, but not to stay. It is not about not being able to handle it, but not wanting to handle it. You only get one life right? You might as well be somewhere you enjoy being. If I had to leave Toronto for good I would be looking for great weather, nice beaches and also a city vibe ! Ahhhhh ... now that sounds like a move.
I'd be perfectly fine living in London.. I personally thrive on high intensity/vibe cities.. I learned this about myself travelling to places like Istanbul, Mexico City, Bangkok, London, NYC etc but I can see why they aren't for everyone. Toronto will become more intense but is a work in progress.
I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it might be interesting to note, that maybe the reason men in Toronto are the way they are as described in this thread . . .
Toronto is where the original "slutwalk" started four years ago.
I would think this would make guys timid, focused on their looks and vanity, hoping that women will approach them. If I were to be there and see what one of these slutwalks, I would just throw in the towel as far as taking the traditional male role, and make myself the object of desire. I would also be wary and suspicious of drunk women who share the ideology of those who participated in something like this.
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! People kept on tell me I need to get in to the cue... in my head I was like what the heck is a cue. You live and you learn (... hopefully). 
I have no problem with your post...
