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I've never seen someone so thrilled to be aboard a sinking ship.
A sinking ship that the residents hate so much that they complain about it and don't move out of it. In the CA forum so many Californians claim to hate the state, yet they stay, and they stay, and they stay.
The state still attracts millions or people worldwide. Sorry to hijack this thread, just curious as to why someone would stay on a "sinking ship"?
I think it only saves you money in local driving. On a long trip on highways it should not get much better mileage then any other similar car.
Thousands of Prius owners and many independent road tests show the Prius gets VERY good fuel economy on the highway - in the range of 45 MPG or better.
Even when the Prius is running fully on gasoline - it has a very efficient engine.
Very good gas mileage yes. Excellent mileage no. The Prius' highway gas mileage is still second rate when compared to a car like the Jetta TDI which is going to log 50+MPG.
The main issue with the Prius is that it is a horrible car for the environment. The drivers should really be filled with consumer guilt for choosing a vehicle that has batteries that will pollute the earth with nickel, dysprosium and neodymium. The strip mining required to acquire this minerals is unnecessary. People should just choose a car with a smart and simple design.
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Thousands of Prius owners and many independent road tests show the Prius gets VERY good fuel economy on the highway - in the range of 45 MPG or better.
Even when the Prius is running fully on gasoline - it has a very efficient engine.
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How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive and disposal an environmental problem?
The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten years, depending on the carmaker.
Battery toxicity is a concern, although today's hybrids use NiMH batteries, not the environmentally problematic rechargeable nickel cadmium. "Nickel metal hydride batteries are benign. They can be fully recycled," says Ron Cogan, editor of the Green Car Journal. Toyota and Honda say that they will recycle dead batteries and that disposal will pose no toxic hazards. Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled.
There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in 2000, they have not replaced a single battery for wear and tear.
Very good gas mileage yes. Excellent mileage no. The Prius' highway gas mileage is still second rate when compared to a car like the Jetta TDI which is going to log 50+MPG.
The main issue with the Prius is that it is a horrible car for the environment. The drivers should really be filled with consumer guilt for choosing a vehicle that has batteries that will pollute the earth with nickel, dysprosium and neodymium. The strip mining required to acquire this minerals is unnecessary. People should just choose a car with a smart and simple design.
Road and Track recently compared the Prius, the Jetta TDI, and a Ford Fiesta over a variety of different routes. Over the entire series - the Prius averaged 54.5 MPG. The TDI achieved 42.7 MPG. Even at 55 MPH with cruise control the Prius beat the TDI 57.3 to 53.5 MPG.
The Prius was better in every scenario - city to highway. With the 20 cent per gallon cost increase for diesel - the TDI's actual $ per mile is slightly worse. Edmunds rates the 5 year total cost of ownership for the TDI as worse too.
This thread is about highway driving on a cross county trip. When isolated to highway driving the TDI is superior to the Hybrid and will last much longer than hybrid. As the battery of the hybrid degrades along with the hybrid's efficiency; the efficiency of diesel increases as the engine is worn in. A diesel can easily go 300k miles maybe even 400k long after the hybrid is polluting the environment in a landfill.
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Originally Posted by hoffdano
Road and Track recently compared the Prius, the Jetta TDI, and a Ford Fiesta over a variety of different routes. Over the entire series - the Prius averaged 54.5 MPG. The TDI achieved 42.7 MPG. Even at 55 MPH with cruise control the Prius beat the TDI 57.3 to 53.5 MPG.
The Prius was better in every scenario - city to highway. With the 20 cent per gallon cost increase for diesel - the TDI's actual $ per mile is slightly worse. Edmunds rates the 5 year total cost of ownership for the TDI as worse too.
This thread is about highway driving on a cross county trip. When isolated to highway driving the TDI is superior to the Hybrid and will last much longer than hybrid. As the battery of the hybrid degrades along with the hybrid's efficiency; the efficiency of diesel increases as the engine is worn in. A diesel can easily go 300k miles maybe even 400k long after the hybrid is polluting the environment in a landfill.
The Prius was more economical at 55 and 70 MPH. With A/C on the Jetta suffered a bit more. The Prius will likely use less fuel on a cross country trip than the Jetta - and the fuel will be cheaper.
Toyota batteries are expected to last 180K miles. And they will be recycled, not thrown in a landfill. Why don't you get that?
I don't believe there is any data that says a VW diesel will last that long. And if the Toyota costs $3K every 180K miles for batteries - that's really not that much. In most cases, Toyotas require less overall maintenance than VWs. If the VW engine is going strong at 300K, the rest of the car will have been repaired many times over.
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Prius is a pollution machine
