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The build feature is up. Since my next vehicle may require a power liftgate as the only feature needed for various reasons, it's interesting how most models require going to fully loaded. So this fully loaded Cross XLE doesn't include power liftgate but offers as an option for additional $1,250 w/moonroof bringing total w/no other options to $28,840. Most subcompacts don't even offer the option. The L & LE models will be a reasonable vehicle for many.
At least Subaru Forester offers power liftgate in Premium model as an option without going fully loaded bringing this total to $30,485. Will compare the specs.
I like my popup back window and '99 more every day; just comparing for future. Don't need all the bells/whistles or moonroof but no choices. Will check out this vehicle but just starting from scratch as it's no time to buy. Just bought new tires & battery--both shops wanted to buy mine.
I am seriously considering this. Wife is in need of replacing her Hyundai Sonata with the Theta II engine. Going through so much oil that topping it off has become a chore for me.
She has liked the CH-R but I feel it is cramped. She is 5'2" but still. She drives a lot so the RAV is a bit of a problem. Budget is around $25K which nowadays is nothing. The Corolla Cross fits the bill except she took issue with the tip of the hood/nose being too protruded. She thinks she will hit it to something (she's probably right!). She had the same issue with the Mazda CX-3 and CX-30. No wonder they are close clones.
Guess need to see/drive when they roll out. Boring is all needed for just driving around town. Which gen Highlander did you like. Seems all vehicles get bigger/bulkier.
The first ones rolled off the factory assembly line in Alabama today.
So we are looking at a bigger vehicle, with more horsepower for less money and a hybrid on the way. The discontinuance of the C-HR for 2023 is sort of a no-brainer prediction.
MSRP: From $22,195 2022 Toyota Corolla Cross Compact sport utility vehicle
MSRP: From $23,880 2022 Toyota C-HR Subcompact sport utility vehicle
Cross Dimensions: 176″ L x 72″ W x 65″ H MPG: 31 city / 33 highway Horsepower: 169 hp
C-HR Dimensions: 173″ L x 71″ W x 62″ H MPG: 27 city / 31 highway Horsepower: 144 hp
So perhaps some might view the new Corolla Cross is just another unneeded SUV. However so far, on paper, it might be closer to my CRV specs--smaller than RAV4 yet larger than C-HR. It also offers several features (like power liftgate). I'll be giving it a test drive and keeping up with the market more which I've totally ignored due to the reliability and convenience of my CRV.
For the month of December there were 3500 sales of Corolla Cross and 941 sales of C-HR. It sure sounds like Toyota is discontinuing the C-HR.
If we count the Sienna in with the SUVs, that would 51.3% of Toyota sales in the US for 2021. The Land Cruiser has been pulled for 2022 (only in America), but they kept the Sequoia. Presumably the Sequoia will be fitted with the Tundra hybrid engines once they are released
3,711 LAND CRUISER
7,203 COROLLA CROSS
8,070 SEQUOIA
35,707 C-HR
61,988 VENZA
144,696 4RUNNER
264,128 HIGHLANDER
407,739 RAV4
933,243 TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. SUV
107,990 SIENNA
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Originally Posted by Brightsider
... just another unneeded SUV
They may be unneeded, but they sure make up most of Toyota's lineup
So we are looking at a bigger vehicle, with more horsepower for less money and a hybrid on the way. The discontinuance of the C-HR for 2023 is sort of a no-brainer prediction.
MSRP: From $22,195 2022 Toyota Corolla Cross Compact sport utility vehicle
MSRP: From $23,880 2022 Toyota C-HR Subcompact sport utility vehicle
Cross Dimensions: 176″ L x 72″ W x 65″ H MPG: 31 city / 33 highway Horsepower: 169 hp
C-HR Dimensions: 173″ L x 71″ W x 62″ H MPG: 27 city / 31 highway Horsepower: 144 hp
Those were the stats I was looking at and the Corolla Cross becomes a no brainer compared to the CH-R.
To add to your list is the gas mileage that is not better in CH-R despite its size.
Wife drives a lot and we are in Southern CA, so it adds up.
As far as the "another boring CUV" comment; we liked the Hyundai styling and after the Sonata the Kona was on the radar for a replacement, but Hyundai dancing around the warranty issues with the Theta II engine has put them on our black list.
Those were the stats I was looking at and the Corolla Cross becomes a no brainer compared to the CH-R. To add to your list is the gas mileage that is not better in CH-R despite its size.
Wife drives a lot and we are in Southern CA, so it adds up.
Another point is AWD is an option for the Corolla Cross, but not for the CH-R. Personally, I like AWD. Toyota charges an extra $1300 for AWD on the corolla Cross, and I figure if you badly need it once per year, it is well worth the expense.
I made a list of AWD vehicles with 300 grams of carbon dioxide per mile or less and ranked them by MSRP. A total of 16 of them are hybrids and 8 are turbocharged.
Since there are 8887 grams of carbon dioxide per gallon of gasoline 8887 / 300 = 29.6 mpg or better.
Subaru is a member of the Toyota Automative Group since Feb 2020, and may adopt some Prius type hybrid engineering in 2023 or 2024.
Every vehicle on this list has one of these three types of transmissions
Continuously Variable ---------- older vehicles
Selectable Continuously Variable (e.g. CVT with paddles) ---------- newer vehicles
Automated Manual- Selectable (e.g. Automated Manual with paddles) ---------- Hyundai, Kia, Audi
Here is the same list sorted by fuel efficiency. Hybrids are the most fuel efficient vehicles. grams MSRP Lit Cyl Division Carline Aspiration Descriptor
179 $27,135 1.8 4 Toyota PRIUS AWD Natural Hybrid
224 $27,510 2.5 4 Ford ESCAPE AWD HEV Natural Hybrid
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